Towered
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Surely if a Sheppard subway extension goes as far east as Morningside, a last-mile shuttle bus to the zoo would more than suffice? The ride would be what, 10 to 15 minutes, tops?
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nfitz
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This is an entirely absurd scenario. I don't see even the planned LRT getting to the zoo - unless they were to develop the east-side overflow parking area into a TOD or something.
Towered
Superstar
I think you misread my post
micheal_can
Senior Member
The idea of it going to the Zoo reminds me of the fact that the Line 1 extension into Vaughan did not go to Canada's Wonderland, or even to the Vaughan Mills Mall. Now, maybe that extension would make sense, but back then it didn't.
When/if a Line 4 extension to the east is built, It won't go where it may make sense in the future, but where it makes sense in the present. The other thing is, it needs to be a busy enough terminus year round. Vaughan Mills opened in 2004 and the construction of the TYSSE was started in 2006. So, if we want a Line 4 extension to the Zoo, the area needs high density before the plan is announced.
All of this may go out the window if an extension to the PTC is announced.
When/if a Line 4 extension to the east is built, It won't go where it may make sense in the future, but where it makes sense in the present. The other thing is, it needs to be a busy enough terminus year round. Vaughan Mills opened in 2004 and the construction of the TYSSE was started in 2006. So, if we want a Line 4 extension to the Zoo, the area needs high density before the plan is announced.
All of this may go out the window if an extension to the PTC is announced.
nfitz
Superstar
I'm sorry, I thought you were suggesting that it got to Morningside, then a shuttle bus to the zoo would work.I think you misread my post
I think it's absurd it would get to Morningside (for many decades at least). But if it did, I can see reasons it would get to the zoo, given all that parking lot land.
Aplus23
Active Member
The Sheppard line doesn't need to go past McCown / save that money and build the EELRT and serve a higher amount of people or the same trips + more
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
If the Line 4 was extended to the Toronto Zoo, the current parking lot at the zoo could be redeveloped for high density, mixed-use. Along with parks, schools, shops, offices, and of course housing.
Richard White
Senior Member
Walter.. no.
The Zoo is smack in the middle of Rouge Valley National Park. You are not building a subdivision at the Zoo.
Also.. when was the last time you were actually at the zoo. There is very little pedestrian access to it and one hell of a walk, not exactly a few metres north of Sheppard.
Northern Light
Superstar
One could make that argument.
Absolutely not, the EELRT is an insanely expensive proposal that delivers no travel times savings and some bizarre routing north of UTSC that won't serve most residents in Malvern well.
There are far better uses of 11B......
Thaboss
Active Member
And an exstention to the zoo would probably come at the expense of a future connection to the university of toronto scarborough campus...
That doesnt make any sense to me!
JSF-1
Active Member
You'd have an easier time making a case for an extension of Line 1 to Wonderland since there people actually live around it and there is a large hospital to boot. By comparison there is nothing around the Zoo, and arguably there is really not much east of Morningside along Sheppard. If we had to extend Line 4 beyond McCowan the more logical choice would be for the route to swing down to Ellesmere east of Markham Road to hit UTSC as it offers a better alignment onto Kingston Road if we ever chose to extend Line 4 even further into Pickering (even though I don't really think we should). The issue with this however is we would be just be duplicating the proposed Ellesmere BRT so I am not really sure what we could or should do east of McCowan.
nfitz
Superstar
If you can develop provincial parks like Wasaga Beach, anything is possible.
As far as I know, the parking areas on the east side of Meadowvale are former farm land that's not in the valley. I see no reason not to remove some of it from the park, while having no impact on the park or ecological function. Whatever small area is removed, is dwarfed by what's been added in the last few years.
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Mihairokov
Active Member
Well, not exactly, as Rouge is a Federal park.
Either way, we shouldn't be brushing aside something like the Wasaga proposal as trivial - it's bad, very bad actually!, and it's not something we should aim to replicate elsewhere, and if anything we should be doing everything in our power to prevent its development from occurring at all.
Northern Light
Superstar
The Zoo is entirely within the Regulated area of Rouge National Park.
Also, do you mean Meadowvale? Morningside doesn't pass through the Zoo lands at all.
The parking on the east side of Meadowvale is not owned by the City, its owned (as is most of the Zoo) by the Toronto and Region Conservation Authority which leases it to the Zoo.
The City does own the main parking lot on the west side of Meadowvale.
There are no schools for children to go to there, no municipal parks, no recreation centres, no libraries, and no retail.
Why would it make sense to build literal towers in the park?
Green and Blue - TRCA owned (Blue was shifted from TRCA to Zoo management, but ownership is unchanged)
Red/Brown - Parks Canada
Grey - City of Toronto (next to Meadowvale)
nfitz
Superstar
Meadowvale, not Morningside. I keep brain farting the M arteries.
As pointed out below, the areas in question are all TRCA or City of Toronto - completely in the control of the province.