[nfitz]

TTC in full on bus replacement "we don't care about the service" mode.

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Then three minutes later.
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More egregiously, the third of that cluster was 9 minutes early, on a route that runs every 7 minutes! Why operators like this aren't terminated I don't know.

That said, I don't see any terrible gaps until near 6 pm (an 18-minute gap caused by the preceding bus being 12-minutes early).

 

[Admiral Beez]

This is interesting. On our TTC this would be a quick case of NCR followed by release after a some years of institutionalization.

Suspect in fatal stabbing of Ukrainian refugee charged with federal crime

The murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska on a train prompted an outcry over public safety and a debate over crime policy.

www.bbc.com

"...Brown was free despite an extensive criminal history, including convictions for robbery with a dangerous weapon, larceny and breaking and entering. Brown was reportedly homeless and suffering from mental health issues"

Sound like most of the stabbers and platform pushers we see every year.

 

[evandyk]

You know absolutely nothing about this case to conclude that the person would be found not criminally responsible. And in any event, that determination is never quick as you need several expert reports and a trial before a judge will make it. I doubt on these facts this person would get bail in Canada. He would probably spend several years in a secure mental health facility being evaluated.

There are definitely questions about whether before this he should have been free to be on the streets. But there's no question he'd be locked up for a long time in Canada, even if he ultimately is found NCR. Vincent Li spent 7 years locked up in a secure mental health facility despite being found NCR in that gruesome murder in Winnipeg.

 

[Admiral Beez]

You know absolutely nothing about this case to conclude that the person would be found not criminally responsible.

We only know what was reported, that Brown had a history of mental illness and associated violent outbursts to the point this is mother asked for the state to commit him, combined with homelessness and past multiple convictions. Here in Canada the defence would definitely have a strong case to claim NCR, and Brown would likely avoid jail and enter a mental institution for several years until the system deemed him fit for society. My point was to remark how different this US case is from what we see on the TTC and other transit in Canada, where Brown may well get the death penalty, even though that's supposed to be out of bounds for mentally ill convicts.

 

[T3G]

Toronto mayor directs TTC to find savings to help with budgetary shortfall

Toronto’s transit system is facing a difficult reality – it doesn’t have the money to keep service levels where they are presently. During an event at the Hillcrest TTC complex to kick off a United Way campaign, Mayor Olivia Chow had some pointed words about how to pay for TTC operations...

toronto.citynews.ca

Seriously, what possibly still exists at the TTC that can be cut? This whole operation is being held together by thoughts and prayers. Other than management salaries, which will of course never be on the table.

 

[Richard White]

Toronto mayor directs TTC to find savings to help with budgetary shortfall

Toronto’s transit system is facing a difficult reality – it doesn’t have the money to keep service levels where they are presently. During an event at the Hillcrest TTC complex to kick off a United Way campaign, Mayor Olivia Chow had some pointed words about how to pay for TTC operations...

toronto.citynews.ca

Seriously, what possibly still exists at the TTC that can be cut? This whole operation is being held together by thoughts and prayers. Other than management salaries, which will of course never be on the table.

Watch them pull a TFL and close sections of the lines. St George to Eglinton anyone?

 

[evandyk]

We only know what was reported, that Brown had a history of mental illness and associated violent outbursts to the point this is mother asked for the state to commit him, combined with homelessness and past multiple convictions. Here in Canada the defence would definitely have a strong case to claim NCR, and Brown would likely avoid jail and enter a mental institution for several years until the system deemed him fit for society. My point was to remark how different this US case is from what we see on the TTC and other transit in Canada, where Brown may well get the death penalty, even though that's supposed to be out of bounds for mentally ill convicts.

You absolutely cannot say that unless you have seen a report from a doctor. A history of mental illness does not create a defence of NCR. You have to show that in the specific case of the crime, the person was not capable of "appreciating the nature and quality of the act". You can have severe mental illness and not meet that standard, and in fact that happens every day.

 

[Amare]

I never thought I would be one to say this but; they need to increase fares. Olivia Chow cant keep this fare freeze going on like this, it's been almost 3 years with no additional revenue tools for the TTC.

That and the province needs to get their heads out of the gutter and increase provincial funding levels. It's cute that Doug Ford wants to keep cutting municipality revenue tools, but if he isnt providing funding to cities than what does he want the cities to do? Wave pixie dust and make things happen magically?

 

[81-717]

I never thought I would be one to say this but; they need to increase fares.

Just scrap the kids-ride-free in that case (and/or maybe increase the student/senior fares), and leave the adult fares alone, ty.

Watch them pull a TFL and close sections of the lines. St George to Eglinton anyone?

Whatever they do, I hope they don't touch the line 2 replacement funding to solve this budget shortfall.

 

[zang]

I never thought I would be one to say this but; they need to increase fares. Olivia Chow cant keep this fare freeze going on like this, it's been almost 3 years with no additional revenue tools for the TTC.

It doesn't help that the TTC has probably been relying on fares from increased ridership that Line 5 will being that always seem like they're within reach and then poof! pushed back. For a half decade now.

That and the province needs to get their heads out of the gutter and increase provincial funding levels. It's cute that Doug Ford wants to keep cutting municipality revenue tools, but if he isnt providing funding to cities than what does he want the cities to do? Wave pixie dust and make things happen magically?

At this point (though unlikely to happen with Liberals or Conservatives in power), Toronto needs to appeal for a federal version of the City of Toronto Act, allowing for autonomy and tax collection outside of the province's jurisdiction. As a longtime Toronto resident, it's getting so frustrating watching cities elsewhere progress, while Toronto regresses, or at best maintains a status quo. We can't grow as a city if the province keeps wanting to treat the city like a noisy child.

 

[zang]

Just scrap the kids-ride-free in that case (and/or maybe increase the student/senior fares), and leave the adult fares alone, ty.

FFS, not this again. Kids riding free are no big strain on the system, and in fact encourage more paying fares. I get it, some people don't like kids getting to ride free.

 

[Richard White]

Whatever they do, I hope they don't touch the line 2 replacement funding to solve this budget shortfall.

The TTC is stupid enough to do this while increasing service on other routes even though they are crying poor.

Look, we need to raise fares and get rid of some concessions. Kids should not ride free, discounted fares I agree with but not free.

Now.. having said that there is a cost to run the system. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, we need to jack up the fares to 5 bucks a person while showing meaningful improvements.

If you jack up the fares and keep service levels the same or worse, people will be upset but if people see more vehicles on the road and more frequent trains they will be less upset over it. You need to justify any fare increases but if you can, people are likely to stomach it better.

As well, you can play it off as having to do it because the provincial government won't subsidize the operating costs.

 

[zang]

The TTC is stupid enough to do this while increasing service on other routes even though they are crying poor.

Look, we need to raise fares and get rid of some concessions. Kids should not ride free, discounted fares I agree with but not free.

Look, we need to stop being one of the least subsidized major transit systems on the planet.

If you jack up the fares and keep service levels the same or worse, people will be upset but if people see more vehicles on the road and more frequent trains they will be less upset over it. You need to justify any fare increases but if you can, people are likely to stomach it better.

People will be upset at ANY fare raise of $1.50+, regardless of whether it comes with bonuses. You can see that, right?

As well, you can play it off as having to do it because the provincial government won't subsidize the operating costs.

And the province will simply do something insane, like block fare increases.

 

[T3G]

Just scrap the kids-ride-free in that case (and/or maybe increase the student/senior fares), and leave the adult fares alone, ty.


Whatever they do, I hope they don't touch the line 2 replacement funding to solve this budget shortfall.

This is a made up choice, capital cost money can't be used to cover deficits in the operational budget.

But if it was possible, if it was as simple as shuffling money around, it's fascinating to see where your priorities lie. If there is no money for operational costs, you would receive new trains and then be unable to run them. You have to first have the means to pay your rent and utilities before you replace your roof.

Also, why should standard edults be exempt from fare increases? Other than the fact that you belong to that group and want to see other people pick up the tab only.

 

[81-717]

But if it was possible, if it was as simple as shuffling money around, it's fascinating to see where your priorities lie. If there is no money for operational costs, you would receive new trains and then be unable to run them.

And if there's no money neither for new trains nor to run existing trains, they could just shut the line(s) down & scrap them without replacement, lol. Consider yourself lucky they're not shuffling money around at the expense of keeping a historical fleet

Also, why should standard edults be exempt from fare increases? Other than the fact that you belong to that group and want to see other people pick up the tab only.

Because adult fares are already the highest compared to senior/student let alone child fares, obviously, so increasing the latter while keeping them reduced compared to adult fares is only fair and would even things out, rather than adult fares having to pick up the tab. If fare increases apply to senior/student fares too, then fair enough, I was primarily referring to legal free rides.