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Wilson LRT should have been the priority over Finch. To have service along the corridor broken up the Sheppard Subway would be sad. It should remain a whole corridor. It should have its own separate LRT line. Albion Road has been severely neglected by the TTC too.
 
Do you have a recent link to it?
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=ht...bp&s=d7bf6bba5edac6d59122f1e9bc8b50bc756a25f8

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Wilson LRT should have been the priority over Finch. To have service along the corridor broken up the Sheppard Subway would be sad. It should remain a whole corridor. It should have its own separate LRT line. Albion Road has been severely neglected by the TTC too.
The area skipped over by the fantasy alignment is between the Barrie line and Yonge.
Within that, Wilson station area is already well served by transit. Bathurst/Wilson node has significant ridership, but given the constraints, it'd be difficult to run a surface LRT through it anyways.
The Albion Road buses can terminate at the Wilson/Weston Rd area station.
My ideal alignment for a future "Phase 2" Line 4 West extension

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Wilson LRT should have been the priority over Finch. To have service along the corridor broken up the Sheppard Subway would be sad. It should remain a whole corridor. It should have its own separate LRT line. Albion Road has been severely neglected by the TTC too.

I don't really see any alignments that make sense going west down Sheppard once you hit the Humber River. Do you go up Albion? South to Pearson down the hydro corridor? You also have an extra ravine to cross and a massive golf course that means less ridership.

Given the precedent we have seen around the city, I think there will be way more future density within the proximity of the 401, and that area of Wilson could be ripe for massive density with Line 4 extended down it.
 
I love the proposed Sheppard-Wilson alignment! The only thing I'd add is an extra station in the Downsview airport lands to really max out the density (500m apart for good measure)
 
Isn't there a notional plan for BRT on Wilson? That seems sufficient. There are also plans to have bus lanes running through the Downsview lands. While there's some appeal to putting a new station in the middle of the the redeveloped runway, carting most passengers from Wilson/Keele all they way up to Sheppard and back down doesn't seem very efficient. With stations 2 km apart, many people along the corridor would be a long way from a station, and would end up on a bus anyway.

Here's a fantasy map from 1993. It was published in the Star in a three-part Series by a consultant named Udo Stillich. He proposed extending the as-yet unbuilt Sheppard stub along the 401 (above ground) at both ends. Put up your hand if you didn't have a similar idea when purported sane grown-ups actually started talking about building a road tunnel underneath it. The scheme doesn't entirely make sense, as sticking to the highway would miss key transit stations like Wilson, though it would have been easy to make a junction with the SRT, which was less than 10 years old at this point. To me it would make more sense (although running south through Downsview is logistically easier) running along Wilson to Wilson Station, from a network perspective.

I'd love to see an engineering design for the tunnel segment between Yonge/Sheppard and 401/Avenue Road; the route would have to go under a golf course which dips 150 feet or so below the level of Sheppard or the 401. I did say it was a fantasy map. I've played around with tweaks, and I don't think there's any way to salvage this fantasy, but some segments of rail along the 401, with wide stop spacing, could make sense.

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My ideal alignment for a future "Phase 2" Line 4 West extension

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I like the idea of having a station where Wilson meets the barrie line, to facilitate a transfer to go rail services. Would serve the southern portions of the downsview development, and the distance from wilson to downsview park on the barrie line is already well over 2 km. (while we're at it let's put a barrie line station at lawrence too and significantly crank up the ambition dial on the zoning front at all these locations)
 
I like the idea of having a station where Wilson meets the barrie line, to facilitate a transfer to go rail services. Would serve the southern portions of the downsview development, and the distance from wilson to downsview park on the barrie line is already well over 2 km. (while we're at it let's put a barrie line station at lawrence too and significantly crank up the ambition dial on the zoning front at all these locations)
Having a Wilson station on Barrie Line would stop the ideas of interlining Line 4 with Line 1 to go to Downsview Park GO station too.
 
Having a Wilson station on Barrie Line would stop the ideas of interlining Line 4 with Line 1 to go to Downsview Park GO station too.
With GO RER (or whatever it is called these days...) I can easily see that being a possibility.
 
Something that still confuses me.
Why was Line 1 not extended to the Vaughan Mills area? Its 4 km and could have just been 1more station. That area is really building up, so this could have been a great opportunity for TOD to really be built there.
 
Isn't there a notional plan for BRT on Wilson? That seems sufficient. There are also plans to have bus lanes running through the Downsview lands. While there's some appeal to putting a new station in the middle of the the redeveloped runway, carting most passengers from Wilson/Keele all they way up to Sheppard and back down doesn't seem very efficient. With stations 2 km apart, many people along the corridor would be a long way from a station, and would end up on a bus anyway.

Here's a fantasy map from 1993. It was published in the Star in a three-part Series by a consultant named Udo Stillich. He proposed extending the as-yet unbuilt Sheppard stub along the 401 (above ground) at both ends. Put up your hand if you didn't have a similar idea when purported sane grown-ups actually started talking about building a road tunnel underneath it. The scheme doesn't entirely make sense, as sticking to the highway would miss key transit stations like Wilson, though it would have been easy to make a junction with the SRT, which was less than 10 years old at this point. To me it would make more sense (although running south through Downsview is logistically easier) running along Wilson to Wilson Station, from a network perspective.

I'd love to see an engineering design for the tunnel segment between Yonge/Sheppard and 401/Avenue Road; the route would have to go under a golf course which dips 150 feet or so below the level of Sheppard or the 401. I did say it was a fantasy map. I've played around with tweaks, and I don't think there's any way to salvage this fantasy, but some segments of rail along the 401, with wide stop spacing, could make sense.

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This guy had it dipping all the way down to Yorkdale Station. The 401 is right in between both Yorkdale and Wilson.

Pretty sure Lawrence & York Mills are the two deepest stations in the network.
 
I think it is fine if the subway splits the Wilson route. For most of trips made by people living near Wilson, it will be a big improvement anyway. Say, if you want to travel from Jane & Wilson to Yonge & Wilson, then a trip on subway with a diversion to Sheppard plus a transfer to Yonge line will be faster than taking a surface route (bus, express bus, or even LRT) along Wilson.

Even moreso if the destination is east of Yonge. The ability to use a long, continuous east-west subway will make such trips a lot faster.

For the Sheppard subway, swinging to Wilson should improve the overall ridership in the west. The subway will still be useful for quite a few people living near Sheppard west of Dufferin, even if it does not serve them directly. They will take a shorter bus ride to Sheppard West and transfer to the subway there.

At the same time, the subway will add riders from Wilson, and from the northern Etobicoke via Albion Road. Still taking a bus initially, but transferring to the subway much sooner than they can today.
 
With a proposal to redevelop 1255 The Queensway and other properties along The Queensway, we need a new streetcar right-of-way along The Queensway from Sherway Gardens to the Park Lawn Loop and Park Lawn GO Station. Also need changes and improvement to the current "go slow" rules imposed on all streetcar routes.
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The TTC is currently the "slowest" streetcar/tram network in the world because of the poor infrastructure and rules.
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Something that still confuses me.
Why was Line 1 not extended to the Vaughan Mills area? Its 4 km and could have just been 1more station. That area is really building up, so this could have been a great opportunity for TOD to really be built there.

It's really about scope creep and the marginal cost of extending "just that much further", where do you stop? You have to stop somewhere. Sure Vaughan MIlls Mall is a trip generator, but how many people from the city are shopping there (There are two malls already connected to Line 1 The Eaton Centre and Yorkdale). While there is some build up it is still very low density.

Also, once your at Vaughan Mills then there's Canada's Wonderland less than 2 km away, and Cortellucci Hospital another 500 m from that.

It's already a 45 min trip from VMC to the DT core (Union Station), would anyone enjoy being on a subway for nearly an hour?
 

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