micheal_can
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A sort of return of the International?
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Metroscapes
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I dunno how I feel about that characterization. Not saying I would be fully committed to these previous concepts today, but getting to Toronto would involve a transfer to VIA in Detroit or Niagara Falls (ON), formally. The remaining Amtrak service would be a convenient link for Americans, providing an express connection north of Erie.
micheal_can
Senior Member
I cannot see Amtrak running through Canada without any stops. I can see it stopping at Windsor, London and Hamilton at the very least.
Metroscapes
Active Member
Well again, it was a long time ago, before *gestures around*
JSF-1
Active Member
Another interurban map for my upcoming video, this one on the old Toronto & Scarboro Line which operated along Kingston Road between Queen Street and West Hill.
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Cambry Ardship
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Marco Chitti (@chittimarco.bsky.social)
I really like little projects like the Val'Tram, a suburban extension of the tiny tramway of Aubagne that will be single-track and reuse an old railway alignment. It comes at under €10 million/km. I doubt we can do a bike lane here for that price nowadays...
bsky.app
I've been thinking about this post for a while and I'm curious what people think is the cheapest, operationally viable new rail transit project that could plausibly be completed in Canada today, whether new or reusing existing infrastructure like the original O-Train, and where it would be?
micheal_can
Senior Member
I hate to say it, but we do not know how to build inexpensive. Whether it be tunneling, or grandiose stations, or some new technology, or something else, we do not build any rail transit cheap. Having said that, Winnipeg's BRT would be the closest. Next might be the C train due to no tunnels.Marco Chitti (@chittimarco.bsky.social)
I really like little projects like the Val'Tram, a suburban extension of the tiny tramway of Aubagne that will be single-track and reuse an old railway alignment. It comes at under €10 million/km. I doubt we can do a bike lane here for that price nowadays...
I've been thinking about this post for a while and I'm curious what people think is the cheapest, operationally viable new rail transit project that could plausibly be completed in Canada today, whether new or reusing existing infrastructure like the original O-Train, and where it would be?
Cambry Ardship
Active Member
That's why I think it's an interesting question of what's the cheapest new rail transit route that can be built that has a plausibly viable use case.
A cheap tourist streetcar in Niagara Falls running from the train station to the falls that services some major tourist areas, and areas slated for intensification? This is a 4.4 km route I sketched out a couple weeks ago. Could somehow the costs be held to under $15m per km? Unlikely (there is one bridge needed), but even if it could be done cheaply and attract tourist and even local ridership, if the counterfactual is just increasing bus service and making customer service improvements, it's a hard sell on viability.
A cheap tourist streetcar in Niagara Falls running from the train station to the falls that services some major tourist areas, and areas slated for intensification? This is a 4.4 km route I sketched out a couple weeks ago. Could somehow the costs be held to under $15m per km? Unlikely (there is one bridge needed), but even if it could be done cheaply and attract tourist and even local ridership, if the counterfactual is just increasing bus service and making customer service improvements, it's a hard sell on viability.
micheal_can
Senior Member
If it were built like a streetcar, and they did not do a million other projects with it, then it could be a fairly cheap build. The problem is, they will want to repave the road, redo the curbs, redo the sidewalks, replace any underground utilities, and so forth. That stuff, while it may be needed, it causes the project to balloon.
goodcitywhenfinished
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My ideal alignment for a future "Phase 2" Line 4 West extension
Rainforest
Senior Member
^ I always thought Wilson is a better alignment than Sheppard west of Allen Rd.
With the Downsview airport gone and crossing under its airstrip no longer being a concern, an added benefit is a station in the middle of the new neighborhooud on the former airport lands.
With the Downsview airport gone and crossing under its airstrip no longer being a concern, an added benefit is a station in the middle of the new neighborhooud on the former airport lands.
micheal_can
Senior Member
How do you get between the 2 legs of Line 1?
Mihairokov
Active Member
This is my preferred routing as well, especially the Downsview/Hangar stop, as someone who ends up there frequently. The walk from Downsview Park can be long in the heat and snow!
goodcitywhenfinished
Active Member
I was just going off of the latest metrolinx map which shows they are planning a single station at Bathurst before connecting to Sheppard West
micheal_can
Senior Member
Do you have a recent link to it?