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Woodbridge_Heights said:
It's really about scope creep and the marginal cost of extending "just that much further", where do you stop? You have to stop somewhere. Sure Vaughan MIlls Mall is a trip generator, but how many people from the city are shopping there (There are two malls already connected to Line 1 The Eaton Centre and Yorkdale). While there is some build up it is still very low density.

Also, once your at Vaughan Mills then there's Canada's Wonderland less than 2 km away, and Cortellucci Hospital another 500 m from that.

It's already a 45 min trip from VMC to the DT core (Union Station), would anyone enjoy being on a subway for nearly an hour?
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VM is a year round draw. CW is not.
TBH, at this point, end it in the farmer's field and within the construction time,it will be already a desired stop.
 
I had both Wilson LRT and Lawrence East LRT on the fantasy map I made 10 years ago. Today, I would draw Lawrence East as a branch of Eglinton Crosstown since it is also LRT. Both Wilson and Lawrence East feature prominently in the city's Avenues plan, and so should have been prioritized over Finch or the Danforth subway extension. Of course, there is also the Kingston Road/Highway 2 corridor. Perhaps it is time to update the map...
 
doady said:
Here is my updated map. I actually started again from scratch because so much has changed the past 10-15 years compared to the old map, with the ongoing transit projects, COVID, skyrocketing ridership in Brampton and north Mississauga, etc.

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Some critiques if we assume this is a20-50year plan

1) Line 1 - Both legs of the U will need to be extended further.

2) Line 4 - It will need to be extended to the airport to give it better relevance.

3) Line 3 will also end up at the airport.
 
micheal_can said:
Some critiques if we assume this is a20-50year plan

1) Line 1 - Both legs of the U will need to be extended further.

2) Line 4 - It will need to be extended to the airport to give it better relevance.

3) Line 3 will also end up at the airport.
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Shouldn't there be rapid transit line or lines from Mississauga/Oakville to YYZ? Does Brampton buses have at least bus lanes to the airport terminals?
 
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toaster29 said:
No North/South connections (south of Bloor) from University to Hurontario is wild.
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Are you referring to my map? Because there are three different lines between University and Hurontario south of Bloor on there.

edit: oh, I just realized I forgot to put the Parkdale station, hence the gap in service west of University. Thanks for pointing that out. That station was on my old map too, so I will fix that.
 
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doady said:
Here is my updated map. I actually started again from scratch because so much has changed the past 10-15 years compared to the old map, with the ongoing transit projects, COVID, skyrocketing ridership in Brampton and north Mississauga, etc.

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The graphics is very nice.

However: it will be difficult to build Wilson LRT as drawn. Wilson Ave is not very wide between Allen Rd and Yonge, might not be possible to squeeze in 2 additional lanes for the LRT. In addition, the route gets curvy just west of Yonge, where it crosses the West Don ravine.

Probably, that's the reason Wilson BRT, proposed a few years ago, was to have dedicated lanes west of Allen Rd only.

It might be more practical to build the LRT west of Allen Rd only, and then extend the Sheppard subway from Dufferin&Sheppard to Keele&Wilson to improve the East-West connectivity.

Another challenge for Wilson LRT, is how to get from Wilson to Rexdale Ave (there is no street connection). Hopefully, the LRT can fit on the north side of the 401 corridor to get over the Humber River.

Lawrence East LRT as a branch of Eglinton, is generally a good idea. But the connection at Don Mills Stn will be difficult, because that LRT station is being built underground. Perhaps the connection can be made at a different point. Via Vic Park, or the DVP corridor, or Leslie St.
 
There was a plan in the 1970s to link Wilson (via Walsh and Albion) direct to Rexdale branching off Albion Road immediately west of the Humber River and then continuing via Bergamot Drive.

There’s no way it could be built as a traffic route today, but as a two lane busway it might make sense as part of a BRT to Wilson Station. Wilson Avenue would definitely need dedicated bus lanes especially as it fills up (especially between Keele and Dufferin) when the 401 is congested.

Wilson makes a lot more sense as a bus corridor than BRT.
 
Rainforest said:
The graphics is very nice.

However: it will be difficult to build Wilson LRT as drawn. Wilson Ave is not very wide between Allen Rd and Yonge, might not be possible to squeeze in 2 additional lanes for the LRT. In addition, the route gets curvy just west of Yonge, where it crosses the West Don ravine.

Probably, that's the reason Wilson BRT, proposed a few years ago, was to have dedicated lanes west of Allen Rd only.

It might be more practical to build the LRT west of Allen Rd only, and then extend the Sheppard subway from Dufferin&Sheppard to Keele&Wilson to improve the East-West connectivity.

Another challenge for Wilson LRT, is how to get from Wilson to Rexdale Ave (there is no street connection). Hopefully, the LRT can fit on the north side of the 401 corridor to get over the Humber River.

Lawrence East LRT as a branch of Eglinton, is generally a good idea. But the connection at Don Mills Stn will be difficult, because that LRT station is being built underground. Perhaps the connection can be made at a different point. Via Vic Park, or the DVP corridor, or Leslie St.
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Thank you. I see what you mean about the narrowness east of Allen. I still think it would be a great line even if it terminates at Allen. Of course, they could have it go underground between Allen and Yonge, but kinda hard to justify when Sheppard is right there...

There is a park beside the 401 and I figured that the LRT could go from Wilson Ave to Rexdale Blvd thru there. It's a really big gap in the transit network there with both Sheppard and Wilson corridors disrupted, and this is something that light rail can fix that bus lanes cannot.

A bit further west, you have the airport creating another massive gap in the transit network. So Wilson-Rexdale-Derry, this is one LRT to address the two biggest gaps in the GTA transit network right now.

Similar thing with Lawrence East and the Bridle Path.
 
doady said:
Are you referring to my map? Because there are three different lines between University and Hurontario south of Bloor on there.

edit: oh, I just realized I forgot to put the Parkdale station, hence the gap in service west of University. Thanks for pointing that out. That station was on my old map too, so I will fix that.
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My comment was more about the fact that there are no plans for any north/south lines between the University line downtown and Hurontario in Mississauga, and how wild that is.
 
doady said:
Thank you. I see what you mean about the narrowness east of Allen. I still think it would be a great line even if it terminates at Allen. Of course, they could have it go underground between Allen and Yonge, but kinda hard to justify when Sheppard is right there...

There is a park beside the 401 and I figured that the LRT could go from Wilson Ave to Rexdale Blvd thru there. It's a really big gap in the transit network there with both Sheppard and Wilson corridors disrupted, and this is something that light rail can fix that bus lanes cannot.

A bit further west, you have the airport creating another massive gap in the transit network. So Wilson-Rexdale-Derry, this is one LRT to address the two biggest gaps in the GTA transit network right now.

Similar thing with Lawrence East and the Bridle Path.
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27 m should be enough room for a surface level LRT.

Not sure why that guy thinks there's not enough room.
 
27 m might be barely enough. TTC prefers 36 m, but that's for an "avenue" with all blows and whistles. 4 general traffic lanes, 2 LRT lines, 2 bike lanes, wide sidewalks, and some turning lanes. If some of those are skipped, then perhaps 27 m can do.

Then, there is a matter of the West Don bridge just west of Yonge.

If someone thinks fitting an LRT there is a piece of cake, I suggest taking bus #96 or #165 from York Mills Stn to Wilson Stn (between the two branches of subway Line 1), and looking out of the window. I've done that trip more than a few times.

Or, are we talking about just the set of LRT tracks, off road? Like, next to the 401 to get from Wilson to Rexdale? Then, about 8 m is needed, and that should be doable.
 
toaster29 said:
My comment was more about the fact that there are no plans for any north/south lines between the University line downtown and Hurontario in Mississauga, and how wild that is.
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That's the way the city is laid out. The big, wide corridors are east-west, the smaller corridors are north-south. The city itself is longer east-west. At the same time, the GO Trains mostly run north-south. So not only are there few north-south corridors suitable for LRT or subway, they'd also have to compete with upgraded Regional Express service. As I stated in my post, which you ignored, there are three lines in between Hurontario and University.
 
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