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I'm working on my next video which focuses on the Metropolitan Railway; an interurban that run up Yonge Street from the CP Rail Tracks to Sutton. I made this map for the video showing the route at its peak in 1909 along with its branch line the Schomberg & Aurora Railway.

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Do you still have that issue?
No, it was working for me from Thursday onwards.

Thanks for your work on this. For me it highlights:
  • Toronto Pearson needs to get it's act together and decide whether they're building a new passenger processing location so we know where to build Union West station and divert the KI line.
  • Given the spacing of the E-W streets it would have been better to build the Sheppard Line as the Wilson, York Mills, Elsmere Line. I agree with brining it S onto Wilson as it goes west and I'd envisaged taking it through the Rexdale neighborhood because it's poorly served at present.
  • Hopefully the outcome of the 401 tunnel feasibility study will be that we don't need a vehicular tunnel but do need an express underground railway that connects Pickering and the airport only stopping where it crosses other rail services. Allowing Line 4 to have denser stop spacing.
 
No ring lines in Toronto please.
 
Over on the ALTO page, everyone seems to want a future ALTO West to be able to serve all that is missing. They want high speed over a relatively short distance, particularly along the Weston and Guelph subdivisions.

So, lets imagine a world, somewhere around 2050. ALTO West is completed between Union and Windsor. Where are the stops? What else serves the lines? What route does it take?

1) What is the route it takes?
This is by far the biggest unanswered question. It is obvious between Windsor and London it will likely use the Strathroy and Chatham subdivisions. There is lots of land to drop 2 tracks through most of it without issue. That is the benefit of farmland.

Between London and Union, there are 2 obvious options, through Kitchener or through Brantford. There could also be the option of using the CPKC Galt sub routing. Before someone argues this, look to the ALTO routing using the CPKC Havelock sub routing through eastern ON. If I understand correctly,the routing through Mississauga is problematic for space, so, we are left with one of the CN routes.

2) What stops will it serve between Union and London?
If we look at the existing ALTO plan, it won't be stopping at either of Ottawa's or Montreal's airports, the 6th and 3rd busiest airports in Canada. To me, that indicates that Pearson could also not be served. Montreal's would be close enough to get to, yet they are not. Ottawa's may be harder to get to of the 3. If the final plan connects either of these, then Pearson is back on the table..

That still leaves 2 possibilities. Either north, or south when going west. The argument of Kitchener may make sense to many, but if we assume that there would be minimal stops,and wanting to serve the most people, then Hamilton would make more sense. And, it would be easy enough to extend the line to Niagara Falls and beyond if the need ever exists.

So, if we assume then that we do the Hamilton routing, would it stop between Hamilton and Union, or Hamilton and London?
No. If you want high speed, you need fewer stops.
How would it serve the downtown GO station at Hamilton, or even would it?
Rebuild the section of ROW between it and the Copetown area. Someone who knows that area better can help me understand whether the terrain would be too much, but from a quick look it might work. It may mean that you are facing the opposite way for part of the trip, which may be a challenge.

3) What other passenger rail service would serve the line?

It may make sense to extend GO to London along this routing. However, if they do it, they need to do it right.
That would mean the last train in the am would need to be at union before 9am. That would also mean the last train in the pm would need to leave after 5pm. Who works 10 - 4?
Another key would be a reverse commute. Trains could be stored in the Brantford area and stop at all existing Via stations heading to London. Just this section could be done both ways in the am and pm as many people commute to Woodstock for the car plant from London.

I could see Via still run several times a day with their normal stops between Hamilton(Aldershot) and Union.

No part of HSR west of Union has ever been released or even had any funding for a study in recent years, so, at this time,it is all fantasy,but my armchair ideas are the Oakville and Dundas subdivisions routing with stops at Hamilton, London and Windsor.
 
How many decades, if ever, does this highlighted portion of the future highway become a serious discussion to alleviate traffic off 401?View attachment 658863
The yellow section? I'd say about 10 years after the rest of the red section is done, but not likely before an ALTO west is built. I would put the red section east of Guelph being started after the next election, and only if the rest of the 407 cannot become toll free. If the rest of the tolled 407 becomes toll free,then all bets are off. Getting back to the highlighted section, a ring road highway has been proposed around London since the 60s. AFAIK no land has been set aside for it.
 
How many decades, if ever, does this highlighted portion of the future highway become a serious discussion to alleviate traffic off 401?
That wouldn't be the alignment, it would go through Stratford. The widening of Highway 7/8 between New Hamburg and Stratford has been discussed for decades, and some work has actually been done to prepare for it, along with planning of a bypass to the south of Shakespeare.

Further west than that, I don't think there's any case for widening. The main impetus is Stratford and its desire to have its significant industrial base connected to the 401 with four lanes.
 
That wouldn't be the alignment, it would go through Stratford. The widening of Highway 7/8 between New Hamburg and Stratford has been discussed for decades, and some work has actually been done to prepare for it, along with planning of a bypass to the south of Shakespeare.

Further west than that, I don't think there's any case for widening. The main impetus is Stratford and its desire to have its significant industrial base connected to the 401 with four lanes.
I was thinking population growth north London and further west in Middlesex/Lambton counties would necessitate a highway going from 402 to Kitchener. Widening 401 from London to 403 is another option I guess, but it would help travelers more with a highway north of London. Also Stratford and St Mary's growing would benefit from a highway connecting them to London's industrial businesses off VMP and near the airport.
 
I was thinking population growth north London and further west in Middlesex/Lambton counties would necessitate a highway going from 402 to Kitchener. Widening 401 from London to 403 is another option I guess, but it would help travelers more with a highway north of London. Also Stratford and St Mary's growing would benefit from a highway connecting them to London's industrial businesses off VMP and near the airport.
I'm just saying, such a connection would definitely go through Stratford, not Tavistock as on your map (I understand you weren't going for high detail). And it would start from the east on the New Hamburg-Stratford segment first.

You're right that the sprawl growth north and west of London means at minimum a link from the 402 to VMP north of the city makes sense. As michael_kan says, London has discussed a ring road for more than sixty years. It's too bad that it didn't plan with Middlesex for such a road through Komoka and then using Fanshawe Park Road, say.

I'm not so sure about when there would be a case for a divided highway from London to Stratford, but I bet not for several decades at the very least.
 
How many decades, if ever, does this highlighted portion of the future highway become a serious discussion to alleviate traffic off 401?

The Province can't even get the New Highway 7 between Kitchener and Guelph built, the only major thing they've done since it was approved in 2007 is the Victoria St bridge in 2018, since then they have done absolutely nothing, sure the Frederick St bridge has been out to tender but even that is moving absurdly slow. They surely aren't thinking of a highway going from KW to London anytime soon.
 
Made another interurban map, this one for my next video on the Toronto & Mimico Line which ran from Roncesvalles Avenue to Stavebank Road in Port Credit.

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