[DarwinP]

From the May 28th Waterfront Toronto DRP meeting

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Is this the actual project proposal? I hope not.
There’s barely any attempt at creating any architectural expression here. Featureless, lifeless, plain, basic, it all looks like a massing model and real state exercise and not a real project. This will be the new face of the Toronto skyline for generations to come. Is this the best we can come up with in 2025?. Embarrassing how little vision our developers and architects have.

 

[Koops65]

I like them... no balcony tricks, no fiddling around... very in your face!

 

[Riseth]

Ugh, no surprises here. More bland, mediocre infill on our waterfront that will make a blight on the skyline for generations to come.

Put these up by Vaughan Metropolitan Centre and they would fine, but for what will become one of the signature developments of the Toronto skyline for decades to come, this is trash. Who could have guessed 20 years ago that this would be the future image of Toronto?

 

[Rascacielo]

Ugh, no surprises here. More bland, mediocre infill on our waterfront that will make a blight on the skyline for generations to come.

Put these up by Vaughan Metropolitan Centre and they would fine, but for what will become one of the signature developments of the Toronto skyline for decades to come, this is trash. Who could have guessed 20 years ago that this would be the future image of Toronto?

The irony is that VMC has more interesting towers than these.

 

[innsertnamehere]

The podium levels are much better than before - I appreciate that. The towers are typical aA blandness. Will be well detailed I'm sure, but very standard, simple, and unremarkable.

 

[prisecaru0]

Imo i think they'll be very nice. I think more gold, less glass would be nice and maybe more interesting architectual massing but i rather this then some painted balcony gimmick seen on phase 1 to try make the building seem less bulky and straight out of a 5 yr olds minecraft server.

 

[CanadianNational]

A refined, understated bore is still a terrible bore. This sort of production was already a cliché with Aa fifteen, twenty years ago.
Toronto's skyline is choked with grey, glassy boxes. This site is way to prominent too give it up to such dull giants.
I hope it's sent back for a thorough revision.

 

[Jayomatic]

Boring but hopefully the cladding will be sleek and seamless. If the cladding is high quality, it might turn out surprisingly modern

 

[Richtea]

From today:

 

[Strange Advance]

Waiting for signs of a sales office, which I gather is some time, if not years, from making its appearance.

 

[cityspace]

Boring but hopefully the cladding will be sleek and seamless. If the cladding is high quality, it might turn out surprisingly modern

Absolutely! The massing is very elegant. With high quality cladding you are a guaranteed some pretty sleek towers. That goes for every single condo in Toronto. The city would look way different.

 

[mburrrrr]

Diging and then covering up around where the old oil tank was buried.

 

[Northern Light]

Can someone explain to me, how in the planet it takes 2 years to get community consultation for a park, and 5 YEARS total to build a park???

It doesn't.

It keeps the Consultant Enrichment program afloat, along with the box checking, butt-covering culture of this department.

This city never ceases to amaze with how embarrassing things have gotten. Mega Infrastructure projects in Europe, Asia, South America, etc can start and finish faster than we can design and build a park??

I'm not an L.A. by trade, but I know plenty.........I can do the high level design here......it wouldn't take me more than 2 weeks.

An L.A. would translate my stuff into schematic drawings.......4-6 weeks.

Then get stuff signed off.....order plants/materials...............tender to a GC...........w/o City process six months from my drawing to construction, 8 weeks of construction, landscape remains fenced for a few weeks to establish....open.

All-in 10 months.

The timeline here is a waste. So is the interim condition park.

If you were faced with blank soil you didn't want to blow away.........just seed native wild flower mix, let it establish, throw down 2 mulch paths, and some Muskoka chairs.....

Brief side note; here's more info on the embarrassing project (it may be time to make a new thread to separate it out of Phase 2 of this development):

New Park at 50 Queens Quay East

A new 10,000 m2 park is coming to 50 Queens Quay E. near One Yonge Community Recreation Centre, as part of the Lower Yonge Precinct Plan. This new precinct and park are part of ongoing efforts to revitalize Toronto’s waterfront into a vibrant, mixed-use, transit-oriented community with enhanced...

www.toronto.ca

This site is smack in the middle of two CCxA Parks. Love Park to the west, Sugar Beach to the east.

Don't consult here, sole-source, ask for 3 high level concepts that bridge the 2 parks.

Let people vote a preference, then CCxA can execute the design.

The Park has already been remediated, a budget of 10M here would be adequate, 15M could get you something very good, and 20M could give you wow.

There's enough uncommitted dollars sloshing around Parks for that.

 

[Amare]

It doesn't.

It keeps the Consultant Enrichment program afloat, along with the box checking, butt-covering culture of this department.



I'm not an L.A. by trade, but I know plenty.........I can do the high level design here......it wouldn't take me more than 2 weeks.

An L.A. would translate my stuff into schematic drawings.......4-6 weeks.

Then get stuff signed off.....order plants/materials...............tender to a GC...........w/o City process six months from my drawing to construction, 8 weeks of construction, landscape remains fenced for a few weeks to establish....open.

All-in 10 months.

The timeline here is a waste. So is the interim condition park.

If you were faced with blank soil you didn't want to blow away.........just seed native wild flower mix, let it establish, throw down 2 mulch paths, and some Muskoka chairs.....



This site is smack in the middle of two CCxA Parks. Love Park to the west, Sugar Beach to the east.

Don't consult here, sole-source, ask for 3 high level concepts that bridge the 2 parks.

Let people vote a preference, then CCxA can execute the design.

The Park has already been remediated, a budget of 10M here would be adequate, 15M could get you something very good, and 20M could give you wow.

There's enough uncommitted dollars sloshing around Parks for that.

Generally, I dont support sole-sourced contracts on a widespread basis.

But in this case i'm in full agreement, hand the work over to CCxA and let them work their magic. We dont need 2 years of diddling around, then another 2 years to build the park while the costs escalate leading the city to go and say "there's not enough money in the budget".

This city really loves shooting themselves in the foot by waiting around for absolutely no reason, then crying later saying "there's no money for X and Y". Well maybe there would be more money around, if they decided to get their collective heads out of their a*#& and build a damn park.

This is absolute lunacy.

 

[DSCToronto]

They planted trees and grass last fall, they look fairly healthy and asphalted most (but not all) the walkways. Since early this year they appear to have abandoned it again as they appear to have done no maintenance and the damned 'temporary park' is still not open. If it was worthwhile paying to establish a temporary park, it would seem a no brainer to actually open it but what do I know?