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W. K. Lis said:
Now will come the complainers about delays to the construction timeline. Best to bookmark this announcement for future reference.
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You think?

Either Metrolinx did a lousy job of explaining the whats and whys of this plan or there really was no real benefit. They wanted to completely shut down a major intersection so that construction in the intersection would be done by September 2019 as opposed to the end of 2019? For a line that is not going to provide any service to the area until 2021?.....and they expected people to see the benefit in that?
 
TOareaFan said:
You think?

Either Metrolinx did a lousy job of explaining the whats and whys of this plan or there really was no real benefit. They wanted to completely shut down a major intersection so that construction in the intersection would be done by September 2019 as opposed to the end of 2019? For a line that is not going to provide any service to the area until 2021?.....and they expected people to see the benefit in that?
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well they could divert resources to other parts of the line. Remember, 2021 is not a guarantee especially since the contractors sued to have construction extended. I for one would prefer short term pain for long term gain.
Maybe not freeze an intersection for a long time, but for sure night shifts.
 
I'm just speculating here but I do wonder about the Crosslinx-Metrolinx dynamic. Is it possible that Crosslinx waited until the last minute to tell Metrolinx what they would specifically need to do at this intersection and that prevented more consultation with local residents and politicians?
 
cplchanb said:
well they could divert resources to other parts of the line. Remember, 2021 is not a guarantee especially since the contractors sued to have construction extended. I for one would prefer short term pain for long term gain.
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I too am generally of that mind.....but the balance between pain and gain (cost and benefit ) has to be right.

cplchanb said:
Maybe not freeze an intersection for a long time, but for sure night shifts.
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. But that is what was on the table....complete closure of Bathurst north of Eglinton, or continue with the current program of partial closures. We are not dealing with a theoretical/hypothetical.....

.....and that 7 month complete closure would mean a completion of the intersection at ~ September 2019 as opposed to December 2019 as planned (ML estimates not mine)..... I don’t live in the area but it sure looks like the pain:gain ratio was a bit out of whack here.
 
Allandale25 said:
I'm just speculating here but I do wonder about the Crosslinx-Metrolinx dynamic. Is it possible that Crosslinx waited until the last minute to tell Metrolinx what they would specifically need to do at this intersection and that prevented more consultation with local residents and politicians?
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Quite possibly. However, ML handles the communications, and they certainly ran with communicating the initial plan, right up til they reversed themselves. Makes one wonder what level of oversight ML exercises, and are their communications people thinking about community engagement versus just running with whatever the technical people tell them is happening. Pretty hard for ML to say they were presented with a non-starter plan that they opposed from their first (belated) discovery of it.

When the local councillor tells you two weeks in advance that they aren’t supportive of your plan and will be so stating at the next community meeting, you probably were talking past your stakeholders, not talking with them. #Davenport2.0

- Paul
 
cplchanb said:
well they could divert resources to other parts of the line. Remember, 2021 is not a guarantee especially since the contractors sued to have construction extended.
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Is there still a chance construction might be extended? Didn't we just pay Crosslinx another $240 Million to ensure its completed on time?
 
TOareaFan said:
You think?

Either Metrolinx did a lousy job of explaining the whats and whys of this plan or there really was no real benefit. They wanted to completely shut down a major intersection so that construction in the intersection would be done by September 2019 as opposed to the end of 2019? For a line that is not going to provide any service to the area until 2021?.....and they expected people to see the benefit in that?
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TOareaFan said:
I too am generally of that mind.....but the balance between pain and gain (cost and benefit ) has to be right.

. But that is what was on the table....complete closure of Bathurst north of Eglinton, or continue with the current program of partial closures. We are not dealing with a theoretical/hypothetical.....

.....and that 7 month complete closure would mean a completion of the intersection at ~ September 2019 as opposed to December 2019 as planned (ML estimates not mine)..... I don’t live in the area but it sure looks like the pain:gain ratio was a bit out of whack here.
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Agree - saving 3 months to close a major intersection does not seem like enough benefit.

I would say that the numbers would be something like this.
  1. Design for road open. Construction with road open = 10 months.
  2. Design for road open. Construction with road closed = 7 months.
  3. Design for road closed. Construction with road closed = 2 months.??
Closing the road should have yielded much greater benefits if planned properly from the start (i.e. taking advantage of precast concrete, etc.). Now they wanted to to the same time consuming construction techniques, but just speed them marginally by not working in live traffic.
 
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TheTigerMaster said:
Is there still a chance construction might be extended? Didn't we just pay Crosslinx another $240 Million to ensure its completed on time?
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Yes. Crosslinx claimed additional expenses as a result of Metrolinx not meeting contractual obligations in a timely manner but the joint statement after the settlement indicated both sides were committed to the existing timeline. It looked like Crosslinx would be adding more night crews on below ground sections where noise isn't a concern.
 
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These are streets best used to bypass the Bayview-Eglinton intersection:

Broadway
Sutherland
Soudan

These are streets best used to bypass the Eglinton-Allen interchange and the Bathurst-Eglinton intersection:

Marlee
Roselawn/Elm Ridge or Old Forest Hill (thanks to the bridge over Bathurst)
Chaplin
Vaughan/Claxton/Burton/Kilbarry
 
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