[lead82]

Why should anyone be happy with traffic on a local street?
The are saving the City millions of dollars for some inconvenience to themselves. At least there could be some type of property tax waiver that eases the discomfort.

I'm not saying they should be happy about it. The construction has its toll on businesses along the stretch as well as the residents who live on Bathurst and Eglinton Avenue as the traffic is backed up most of the day. If we can accelerate the construction all will be better off. It's short term pain for long term gain. All will benefit and so the ask is for the wealthy hoke owners whose land values will rise most once construction is completed to also chip in and best done of the burden for 6 months.

 

[lead82]

Besides, we are talking about a very small area for the detour. It could be as simple as having traffic divert from Bathurst to Vesta drive, then Mayfair, then Eglinton and then back on Bathurst. Alternatively they can split the traffic so SB goes Bathurst, Wembley, Hilltop, Eglinton and back on Bathurst and NB goes Bathurst, Eglinton, Mayfair, Vesta and back onto Bathurst. It's literally only a block we are talking about so not a massive area. Besides, the area already gets infiltration of traffic that wants to get onto Allen Rd side turns are prohibited. This would allow turns once again. So it's a trade off that I personally think is a huge win for the neighborhood in the long term. Many businesses are struggling and 3 more years of construction will mean many will go under.

 

[crs1026]

^Those land owners will undoubtedly see their property values rise thanks to proximity to higher order transit. ( Yeah, that means their tax assessments go up, but in the long run they make out like bandits). So I don’t have much sympathy per se.

However, it’s hard to understand how a disruption of this size was sprung on the neighbourhood at this fairly late date in the construction. That reeks of Metrolinx’ habitual lack of transparency towards the community.

This is a real opportunity for anti-upload folks. “Is this typical of how the Province intends to handle subway construction?”

I’m sure that Ford will be nowhere near the community outreach, so it’s a great opportunity to demonstrate that, like all bullies, he is a coward at heart and not interested in “the people”. And yeah, this community is not one he can afford to annoy. It’s not that they are affluent, it’s that they are connected.

- Paul

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

When they were building the Yonge Street Subway, they detoured the streetcars along the side streets on temporary streetcar tracks. From link.

A Witt Train led by Witt 2980 turns from Church Street onto Maitland on one of the diversions to the YONGE Streetcar service while the Yonge Subway is being built. The date is June 7, 1952. Photo by Julian Bernard, donated by Curt Frey.

A Witt Train led by Large Witt #2998 runs along another downtown sidestreet during one of the diversions caused by Yonge Subway construction. The year is 1952. Photo by Julian Bernard, donated by Curt Frey.

 

[whatever]

A Witt Train led by Witt 2980 turns from Church Street onto Maitland on one of the diversions to the YONGE Streetcar service while the Yonge Subway is being built.

I had no idea that was done. Is this the origin of the Church St trackage? I know it's used today for short-turns and diversions, but was it originally there as an alternate to Yonge?

 

[steveintoronto]

I had no idea that was done. Is this the origin of the Church St trackage? I know it's used today for short-turns and diversions, but was it originally there as an alternate to Yonge?

[...]
Hard as it is to believe, Yonge Street was not the original main north-south street of Toronto. And while it quickly became so, for decades after the founding of the City of Toronto in 1834, other streets still challenged it for prominence.

One of those streets was Church, paralleling Yonge from Front Street to Bloor (at the time, the northern boundary), Church Street was so named because it was the site of the first church in the old Town of York (sitting on the site where St. James Cathedral now stands - a brief history of St. James Cathedral can be found off-site here). Other Churches followed, including the Metropolitan Cathedral and St. Michaels. [...]

https://transit.toronto.on.ca/streetcar/4133.shtml

 

[narduch]

Why should anyone be happy with traffic on a local street?
The are saving the City millions of dollars for some inconvenience to themselves. At least there could be some type of property tax waiver that eases the discomfort.

If you use Google Maps or other sort of apps they are already pushing you off the main roads here and into the local streets.

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

When they were building the Yonge Street Subway, they detoured the streetcars along the side streets on temporary streetcar tracks. From link.

A Witt Train led by Witt 2980 turns from Church Street onto Maitland on one of the diversions to the YONGE Streetcar service while the Yonge Subway is being built. The date is June 7, 1952. Photo by Julian Bernard, donated by Curt Frey.

A Witt Train led by Large Witt #2998 runs along another downtown sidestreet during one of the diversions caused by Yonge Subway construction. The year is 1952. Photo by Julian Bernard, donated by Curt Frey.

If only they did this today each time there is consturtion on a streetcar line.... then they wouldn't have to bustitite lines all the time

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

Why should anyone be happy with traffic on a local street?
The are saving the City millions of dollars for some inconvenience to themselves. At least there could be some type of property tax waiver that eases the discomfort.

And, Metrolinx really wants that intercestion closed, which will really negatively impact people who live in that area.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

Eglinton and Bayview has already been de facto basically shut down for the better part of the past 6 months. It isn't the end of the world.

People find ways around.

 

[sixrings]

This is my major intersection. I vote shut it down. Although my neighbours would probably vote differently.

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

This is my major intersection. I vote shut it down. Although my neighbours would probably vote differently.

Damn your neighbours...

 

[Allandale25]

This is my major intersection. I vote shut it down. Although my neighbours would probably vote differently.

Matlow's latest piece on this: https://joshmatlow.ca/josh-in-the-w...st-street-for-7-months-make-your-voice-heard/

I realize he wants alternatives but are there really any good ones? Isn't there a risk this could delay the opening?

 

[raptor]

sometimes I question the need to ask the public's input on things. This is one of those instances.

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

sometimes I question the need to ask the public's input on things. This is one of those instances.

Yes, I would say in this instance, the public IS NOT right.