micheal_can
Senior Member
I wonder what would happen if all streetcar lines were reserved only for streetcars/emergency vehicles? If they added signal priority to those lines, would there really be much difference between them and the Crosstown?
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I wonder what would happen if all streetcar lines were reserved only for streetcars/emergency vehicles? If they added signal priority to those lines, would there really be much difference between them and the Crosstown?
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
The different will be tighter stop spacing, which can be resolved easily but not without public backlash, there won’t be any centre platforms, the streetcars cannot be connected together, and the platforms cannot board two vehicles at a time as they’re too short.
micheal_can
Senior Member
As a casual rider, would you notice the difference?
innsertnamehere
Superstar
there wouldn't be a massive difference in quality of service in that theoretical scenario, no.
Stop spacing and stoplight locations are much tighter on legacy streetcar routes though - St Clair is essentially that it operates much slower than Eglinton will. This means that although the fundamentals are the same, service speed is a lot less than the crosstown will be. I'm guessing st. clair averages about 20km/h, the surface portion of the LRTs is supposed to operate around 25km/h from what I remember.
Stop spacing and stoplight locations are much tighter on legacy streetcar routes though - St Clair is essentially that it operates much slower than Eglinton will. This means that although the fundamentals are the same, service speed is a lot less than the crosstown will be. I'm guessing st. clair averages about 20km/h, the surface portion of the LRTs is supposed to operate around 25km/h from what I remember.
Allandale25
Senior Member
The Crosstown account seems to be putting out more pictures lately. They just posted this one: "looking out of the excavation happening under the intersection for Science Centre Station. Crews reached a depth of 17 metres last week".
I remember asking someone awhile ago for the reason why this station on the surface portion is underground and I believe I was told it was due to the grades and for a future Relief Line integration. Is my memory correct?
I remember asking someone awhile ago for the reason why this station on the surface portion is underground and I believe I was told it was due to the grades and for a future Relief Line integration. Is my memory correct?
Bureaucromancer
Active Member
Which sounds bad if one is thinking in terms of regional express service, but isn't far off what either the Yonge, Bloor-Danforth or a car in traffic manage.
MisterF
Senior Member
As far as I know council can simply direct staff to implement transit priority. That's not to say that they will of course.
Eglinton and the other Transit City lines really should have been designed like Vancouver's SkyTrain or Ottawa's Confederation Line (complete grade separation) or Edmonton/Calgary LRT (mostly at grade with complete signal priority). So called rapid transit shouldn't have to stop at red lights.
robmausser
Senior Member
That and its a major intersection. Just like the elevated transit over Black Creek, which is another major intersection.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
it's underground as it's a major transfer location - it's going to have a bus terminal on it for the Don Mills bus, and while grades could allow for a surface station, they do make the underground station easier. A proper, large underground station makes the pedestrian transfer volumes more manageable compared to a surface station.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
To be honest, as long as the Leslie intersection had aggressive signal priority, I’ll be fine if the rest of the line had little to none.
jaybe
Active Member
I think it has less to do with the future DRL and more to do with Don Mills & Eglinton being one of the busier intersections in the City. It is far busier than Vic Park, Pharmacy or Warden (other candidates for a tunnel). If the Crosstown were at street level in this intersection there would be a huge impact on left-hand turns for East West traffic and signal prioritization would disrupt North-South traffic.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
I would just love to dump or bulldoze all that snow that fell on Eglinton Avenue and the sidestreets into that hole, and let it melt.
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
Or, turn it into a playground for the children !
micheal_can
Senior Member
Well, since it won't drain away, the city could have a new open air pool!
Justatorontonian
New Member
I've got a question - On Crosslinx Transit Solution's site, they say (and have shown in their renderings that were 90% through the design phase) that they were putting the western entrance to Mount Pleasant station in the heritage building that was a Second Cup for a while. But passing through the intersection last week i noticed that the entire site was demolished. Does anybody know what happened to the heritage retention plan? It was a really nice plan!
Here's the site in question: http://thecrosstown.ca/the-project/stations-and-stops/mount-pleasant-station
Here's the site in question: http://thecrosstown.ca/the-project/stations-and-stops/mount-pleasant-station