[Riverdale Rink Rat]

I find that most things with a nationality in their name are not complimentary. e.g. French drain, Dutch oven, Egyption shower, Spanish solution...

I don't know about the rest, but I'd say Dutch oven is totally complimentary, 'cause anything that comes out of one is YUMMY...

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Dude. Check out the ridership numbers on the buses along Eglinton. They're pretty much as high as regular bus lines can be.

Yes. I know. This is why I don't use my anecdotal experiences when it comes to transit. I was merely expressing surprise on how manageable the "crowding" on the Eglinton busses are, given their high ridership on paper. I wasn't expect it to be so easy to get a seat. This caused me to second guess the project, but I trust the official numbers than my first hand experiences.

Also, watching people transfer onto the subway at Eglinton Station and the number of busses that enter/exist the station in a minute illustrates the high usage of these routes.

 

[sixrings]

I don't really think the anti-bus sentiment is prevalent in Toronto. From what I've ready it's pretty strong in the US, but those tend to be cities where buses are the only public transit option and where mainly low income people take transit. In a city like Toronto where people who own Tesla cars are on the subway talking about their Muskoka cottage on the way to their 100 level Leafs seats and Bay St jobs, where buses are integrated into the subway such that most people who get on the subway transfer from a bus, I think there isn't as much anti-bus bias.

I agree that central Eglinton tends to be more likely to take public transit than people who live on Sheppard.



Are you travelling to the subway? If so, what do you do instead of taking the bus?

Personally I've had mostly good experiences taking the bus to the subway.

I live walking distance to eglinton west so i typically use that subway to get downtown. I would like to take the bus to Yonge to get to the movies and to eglinton centre. But like i said after eglinton west towards bathurst the bus is full.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

I live walking distance to eglinton west so i typically use that subway to get downtown. I would like to take the bus to Yonge to get to the movies and to eglinton centre. But like i said after eglinton west towards bathurst the bus is full.

At what times are you taking this bus?

I take the 32 Eglinton West frequently, and there aren't very many times I remember it being full.

 

[ehlow]

I live walking distance to eglinton west so i typically use that subway to get downtown. I would like to take the bus to Yonge to get to the movies and to eglinton centre. But like i said after eglinton west towards bathurst the bus is full.

Cool, lots of UT forum posters living on Eglinton. Although if you live near Eg West station, I'd think going up to Yorkdale or downtown to Bloor-Bay or Eaton Centre would be a better mall & theater than Yonge-Eg centre.

I'm surprised it's that full, assuming you're going to a movie at night.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Nobody expects the Spanish Solution!

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The penny-pinchers may prefer the Indian solution:

 

[TheTigerMaster]

That's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

Unfortunately the tunnel clearances on Yonge Line are too small and the tunnel is too close to the tunnel expand it. But this would work on Eglinton Line. I wonder if it's too late to modify the LRV order to facilitate riding on the top of the vehicle. Perhaps Smallspy can provide some input. Smallspy?

 

[DarnDirtyApe]

I always say "buses are for chumps" and many people agree with me. It's one thing to take the subway or a streetcar to work, but there are lots of people who draw the line at a bus. They're noisy, bounce around and generally make for an unpleasant ride.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Cool, lots of UT forum posters living on Eglinton. Although if you live near Eg West station, I'd think going up to Yorkdale or downtown to Bloor-Bay or Eaton Centre would be a better mall & theater than Yonge-Eg centre.

I'm surprised it's that full, assuming you're going to a movie at night.

Do I still qualify as a downtown elitist if I live on Eglinton?

 

[crs1026]

I always say "buses are for chumps" and many people agree with me. It's one thing to take the subway or a streetcar to work, but there are lots of people who draw the line at a bus. They're noisy, bounce around and generally make for an unpleasant ride.

The bus doesn't have to be a downer. The most interesting case study I have seen for this is Albuquerque, NM. Albuquerque has a fairly gritty downtown but with some high-tech employers right in the center of town. The middle-to-upper-middle class employees live in nice suburbs in the hills. There is a remarkable two-tier bus system consisting of express buses that bring the "good folks" folks downtown to work, and a fairly typical system of inner city bus routes serving the less affluent. The two are remarkably integrated, but it's structured such that the suburbanites come downtown without ever having the "riff raff" board their transit vehicles. The duality is unmistakeable. It's brilliant, or scary, or depressing, depending on your point of view.

- Paul

 

[Rainforest]

I always say "buses are for chumps" and many people agree with me. It's one thing to take the subway or a streetcar to work, but there are lots of people who draw the line at a bus. They're noisy, bounce around and generally make for an unpleasant ride.

Well, I happen to disagree

I ride buses and subway every workday, and streetcars occasionally. To me, an express bus is better than streetcar. A regular all-stop bus is in the same league as streetcar.

What really matters for me is travel time and frequency; don't want to wait a long time for the vehicle to show up. And, of course I prefer the vehicles not to be crowded.

Whether it runs on steel wheels or on rubber wheels, is not relevant at all.

 

[Rainforest]

I'd be surprised if the traffic doubles or more. Certainly not in the short term (say 10 years). How many more people will take Eglinton once the LRT opens versus the number that take it now on the many buses coming here daily? Certainly there will be growth but how much. Another thing that will change. People will now be able to go straight from the Eglinton platform to the Yonge platform without having to walk from the bus bays. That will reduce crowding within the upper level of the station.

One source of additional demand is the riders who travel east to west and west to east, across Yonge.

At present, their options are either taking the closest E-W bus, or going down to Bloor - Danforth and taking the BD subway.

With Eglinton LRT in place, many will find that the fastest option is to take a short N-S bus ride from their origin to Eglinton, board the LRT, and then take another short N-S bus ride to their destination.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

Do I still qualify as a downtown elitist if I live on Eglinton?

We're midtown elitists.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

We're midtown elitists.

Isn't the Empire State Building in New York City located in "midtown"? Even Times Square in New York City is located in "midtown", not "downtown".

 

[sixrings]

I always say "buses are for chumps" and many people agree with me. It's one thing to take the subway or a streetcar to work, but there are lots of people who draw the line at a bus. They're noisy, bounce around and generally make for an unpleasant ride.

I don't disagree and i am sure many people think the same way. It is why the kiss and rides are full. Its why i know people who will take the subway but never the bus. Study after study shows that people prefer the ride of rail transit whether streetcar lrt or subway over busses. It is why i supported transit city with a DRL of course.