[sixrings]

Cool, lots of UT forum posters living on Eglinton. Although if you live near Eg West station, I'd think going up to Yorkdale or downtown to Bloor-Bay or Eaton Centre would be a better mall & theater than Yonge-Eg centre.

I'm surprised it's that full, assuming you're going to a movie at night.

I enjoy Yonge and eglinton because there's still the mall but there are outdoor stores as well. A good mix. The movie theatre tends to be less busy than Yorkdale and scotiabank formerly paramount is just a little far. I don't mind manulife centre. Anyways the bus is busy quite often which is why i simply just stopped taking it or drive. However i do subway to Yorkdale or downtown.

 

[smallspy]

That's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

Unfortunately the tunnel clearances on Yonge Line are too small and the tunnel is too close to the tunnel expand it. But this would work on Eglinton Line. I wonder if it's too late to modify the LRV order to facilitate riding on the top of the vehicle. Perhaps Smallspy can provide some input. Smallspy?

Do you want the serious answer, or the one that makes it look like I stump for the Monster Raving Loony Party?

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

 

[Johnny Au]

Cool, lots of UT forum posters living on Eglinton. Although if you live near Eg West station, I'd think going up to Yorkdale or downtown to Bloor-Bay or Eaton Centre would be a better mall & theater than Yonge-Eg centre.

I'm surprised it's that full, assuming you're going to a movie at night.

I live within walking distance of both Eglinton West and Glencairn stations.

@TTM:

Sometimes, the 32 Eglinton West bus from Eglinton station can be packed like sardines to the point that I intentionally miss those buses and wait for a less crowded bus.

 

[BurlOak]

The EA identifies in Section 4.1.4.1 (Exhibit 161) that the current (2009) Peak Hour Ridership of the TTC buses arriving at Eglinton Station is 4,941 riders. Presumably some do stuff like change from Eglinton West to Eglinton East.

Then in in Exhibit 5-1 of Appendix N they show that the 2031 Peak Hour arrivals at Eglinton station on the LRT is 9,100 - though like the buses, some will stay on the train. So that's almost double. Combined with future development/growth in the neighbourhood, I wouldn't be surprised if there is double the 2009 ridership on the Yonge platforms of the existing Eglinton station. Looking at recent reports, ridership has already increased 10% since 2009, being 70,720 a day in 2009/2010 compared to 78,770 currently (2013).

So 140,000 if doubled? Trebling is I admit pushing it, the more I look at the numbers.

From the June 2012 Metrolinx Study, about 3,000 riders from the east and 2,500 fron the west will transfer to Yonge = 5,500. Thus, from the currnet bus (your 4,900 number), the increase is about 10%. (Those on the trains at the Yonge are about 6k and 4k on westbound and east bound)
Even if the SRT is interlined through Kennedy, it is about 6,000 from east and 3,000 from west = 9,000. (Those on the trains at the Yonge are about 11k and 7k on westbound and east bound)

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Do you want the serious answer, or the one that makes it look like I stump for the Monster Raving Loony Party?

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

If there actually is a way to facilitate this, I'd love to hear your serious answer

Otherwise, I'll take the one that makes you look like you stump for the Monster Raving Loony Party

 

[nfitz]

From the June 2012 Metrolinx Study, about 3,000 riders from the east and 2,500 fron the west will transfer to Yonge = 5,500. Thus, from the currnet bus (your 4,900 number), the increase is about 10%.

Hang on. 4,900 is bus arrivals at Eglinton. It isn't those that transfer to the subway. It also includes those that end their trip at Eglinton (it's a major employment node, and there is a big high school there as well), and those that transfer from one bus to another. The 4,900 is comparable to the 9,100 numbre I quoted before.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

I don't disagree and i am sure many people think the same way. It is why the kiss and rides are full. Its why i know people who will take the subway but never the bus. Study after study shows that people prefer the ride of rail transit whether streetcar lrt or subway over busses. It is why i supported transit city with a DRL of course.

I think this mentality is especially evident in the wealthier neighborhoods adjacent to the LRT through the central portion.

@Nfitz, students heading to North Toronto Secondary would typically get off at Redpath or Yonge bus stop, not continue to Eglinton Station.

Let's also not forget all the condo development occurring in the Yonge-Eglinton area. That will generate substantially more walk-in boardings at Yonge-Eglinton station in the future.

 

[nfitz]

@Nfitz, students heading to North Toronto Secondary would typically get off at Redpath or Yonge bus stop, not continue to Eglinton Station.

Do you think there was enough granularity in the TTC passenger count to separate those out? TTC passenger counts are to determine peak load and service frequency. Whether they get off at Yonge Street, or in the station (do the buses from the west stop at Yonge Street? I've only come in from the east.) TTC wouldn't care - unless there are lot of people boarding at Yonge!

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

Frankly, I have no clue how these kind of passenger counts are made.

The logical place to conduct a passenger count would be at the terminus/destination of the bus route (which is Eglinton station) no?

Buses from the west turn on Duplex into the station.

 

[nfitz]

The logical place to conduct a passenger count would be at the terminus/destination of the bus route (which is Eglinton station) no?

Not if a lot of people get off the stop before. The peak count is generally done at the busiest point. If you don't count there, you understimate ridership.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

That's a good question.

I know that in crowd counts, organizations frequently send some guy out to guesstimate how many people are there. I hope that's not how the TTC does it.

I would guess that they'd pick a few random busses and have employees count the number of riders or board and alight the vehicle at each station. After they get enough data, they can extrapolate that to the entire bus route and day

 

[Rainforest]

I think this mentality is especially evident in the wealthier neighborhoods adjacent to the LRT through the central portion.

How can it be evident if the LRT is not running yet? Once it starts running, we will know how many people will switch from driving to using LRT.

And even then, it will have nothing to do with the bus vs streetcar debate. The central portion of Eglinton LRT will be very different from a regular surface, mixed-traffic, frequent-stop streetcar.

 

[crs1026]

That's a good question.

I would guess that they'd pick a few random busses and have employees count the number of riders or board and alight the vehicle at each station. After they get enough data, they can extrapolate that to the entire bus route and day

Actually, they have fairly sophisticated methods for counting riders. Some of this is electronic (the busses transmit data, it's called AVI) and some is time-honoured people counting which can be someone riding or people counting as vehicles drive by. The manual counts are pretty accurate, I'm told.

I don't know how they would count transfers between routes within a multi-platform terminal like Eglinton ( I suspect I know who to ask) but I bet they have a clever way that's more accurate than a guesstimate.

- Paul

 

[howl]

For the future ridership estimates there may be quite a wide range of numbers. For making financial projections you want to use a conservative number to ensure you can make the budget work even with the lowest ridership. For safety issues you want to use the most aggressive numbers to ensure you can keep everyone safe even if ridership skyrockets. You don't want to use the conservative numbers for safety purposes and you don't want to use the aggressive numbers for financial purposes.

 

[lolwut]

Will Eglinton be added to the subway map?

Any ideas what it will look like?

Do you think all stops will be labelled or only transfers? ... since there are so many and eastern segment is not grade separated.