generalcanada
Senior Member
EXCUSE ME WHAT 10 BILLION?
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crs1026
Superstar
Change from $3,627M in the previous report. Footnotes appear to offer an explanation - ie the baseline
Previous baseline notes cautioned that the co- development phase was still ongoing.
I don't recall an announcement stating that the P3 had been finalised, but this is a plausible change based on that scenario.
The other baseline amounts didn't change much.
- Paul
crs1026
Superstar
PS Reading the report, it does indicate that the P3 was finalised this quarter. And an oblique admission that Diggy Scardust did have a quiet winter.
- Paul
- Paul
Allandale25
Superstar
Isn't the $10 billion and the associated footnote a reflection of the construction cost plus the 30 year maintenance cost? So the actual construction cost wouldn't be $10 billion? I know this is a topic that has been discussed here in various project threads.
crs1026
Superstar
That's true, and the footnotes to the chart in the report appear to indicate that this is the case.
- Paul
Steve X
Senior Member
What have they done. 2b already spent for 10% of the tunnel versus 1.6b spent already for the entire Eglinton West tunnel. This is so fishy.
crs1026
Superstar
Looking back thru past Board reports, this project had
$958M spent by March 31 2023,
$1,426M by March 31 2024
$2,027M by March 31 2025
I would expect that some costs have carried on despite the tbm stalling (tunnel liner inventory, for instance) and design is likely well along. But one wonders how much it cost to carry the project teams and machinery etc for the extra months during the prolonged down time.
- Paul
TOtramz
Active Member
Who knew this project would have the most expensive tunnel in all of Canada 
We spent 2 billion and it’s not even completed!
We spent 2 billion and it’s not even completed!
dowlingm
Senior Member
There should be reporters chasing de Baeremaeker and Stintz around the city demanding wtf they got the city and provincial taxpayers into, and Mitzie Subway Champion Hunter too
duty free
Active Member
The real head scratcher is why this extension couldn't have been built mostly above ground.
nfitz
Superstar
Especially north of Ellesmere, where there aren't even nearby residents; which would have coincidentally missed the area with the unexpected tunnelling issues.
Richard White
Senior Member
As a Scarborough resident, I don't want an elevated subway line down McCowan road.
No you can't reuse the guideway.
Steve X
Senior Member
I do think it’s easier to access the elevated platforms than a deep bored tunnel platform 10 stories under.
NIV
New Member
Elevated north of Ellesmere and bridge station over highland creek at Lawrence similar to Old Mill station should have happened. Hopefully someday we will find out why with hundreds of core samples taken we have an unforeseen costly problem with this deep bore TBM due to soil conditions. Lots of blame to go around.
Amare
Senior Member
With the way the TTC is unable to maintain trackage above ground resulting in dozens of weeks of speed restrictions these days, I dont think we'd want to go that route.
That's unless they would've one with concrete track beds, but that ship has long sailed.