[txlseries4]

London's population is about 9 million, Toronto's about 3M

For a relative sense of scale, the primary bikeshare service there with 30,000 bikes would equate to about 10,000 here which we are just a bit shy of..Of note though, there is a major competitor, such that a further 15,000 bikes are available to Londoners....which would bring a Toronto equivalency to 15,000. Then, there's another 12,000 in the Sandtander system............adding another 4,000 equivalency.

So overall, for Toronto to see a similar performance, we would need to see about 19,000 bikes available..which would be just over double the current number.

Small caveat is Lime doesn't operate in the whole of London, just 17 of the 33 London boroughs.

Currently ~7400 bikes in service for Toronto atm

 

[Northern Light]

The population of the covered area (~480km^2) is about 4 million which is much closer in both size and population to where Toronto Bike Share will be in a few years (once every ward has some service).

Obviously with significant implementation differences

One could certainly play around w/the per capita numbers based on where the bikes/docks are actually deployed. I think, the more notable number though is the geographic reach of 480km2 in London.

Toronto is 630km2, if you subtract the core of the Rouge Park area from that total (23km2) you get around 607km2.

If the system reaches most of the City, it would need to be ~25% larger in docks to have the same effective coverage.

The topography (or need to go up hill) also plays a role in utilization.

 

[Mihairokov]

Nice to hear about another city that can make dockless work.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

Nice to hear about another city that can make dockless work.

Though we should not take what is workable in other locations for what would be workable here.

If we had Lime bikes and scooters everywhere, our tiny Toronto sidewalks would immediately become major accessibility concerns to strollers, wheelchairs, and walkers.

 

[Mihairokov]

Though we should not take what is workable in other locations for what would be workable here.

If we had Lime bikes and scooters everywhere, our tiny Toronto sidewalks would immediately become major accessibility concerns to strollers, wheelchairs, and walkers.

Then we should remove some on-street parking and covert it to bike parking and/or sidewalks. Easy solution if we have too many bikes is to remove empty space currently reserved for cars.

 

[afransen]

Though we should not take what is workable in other locations for what would be workable here.

If we had Lime bikes and scooters everywhere, our tiny Toronto sidewalks would immediately become major accessibility concerns to strollers, wheelchairs, and walkers.

Mississauga has Lime bikes and scooters. A bit of a natural experiment. They can be rather haphazard in how they are left between uses.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

So overall, for Toronto to see a similar performance, we would need to see about 19,000 bikes available..which would be just over double the current number.

Obviously with significant implementation differences and London's population distribution seems better suited toward bike share.

Then we should remove some on-street parking and covert it to bike parking and/or sidewalks. Easy solution if we have too many bikes is to remove empty space currently reserved for cars.

Well Mihairokov, your reply goes into what I was going to respond to next. I don't believe Toronto can get to this threshold seen in London until there is a serious and concerted effort to make this city cyclist friendly.

It is still not safe and convenient for most age groups to cycle in this city as they do not have the benefit of protected cycling lanes in most places. What expansion of bike share encourages is expanding coverage for those already willing to cycle on Toronto roads, which is still unfortunately a narrow segment of the population. To achieve the numbers London has, we need to make cycling (be it on privately owned bicycles or bikeshare) a safe and convenient option to a broader portion of the population.

As things stand, the provincial government is intent on removing two dedicated bike lanes I depend on for my commute to work.

 

[Northern Light]

Taking a break from what could be, to discuss what is..............expansion has been rolling out.

Bathurst + Finch:

Bathurst + Sheppard:

Dubray/Wilson:

Exbury/Jane:

Additionally, rollout has begun in eastern North York for further expansion:

And

Bikeshare now has 889 active docks.

But as these are north of the 401.........they may not have bikes for years.............

 

[DSCToronto]

Though we should not take what is workable in other locations for what would be workable here.

If we had Lime bikes and scooters everywhere, our tiny Toronto sidewalks would immediately become major accessibility concerns to strollers, wheelchairs, and walkers.

Many parts of London have very narrow streets & sidewalks; Toronto is not unique.

 

[Mihairokov]

It is still not safe and convenient for most age groups to cycle in this city as they do not have the benefit of protected cycling lanes in most places.

Like, we have the solutions in front of us, it's just a matter of actually doing them. I don't think we need to look at these things as impossible because of a small hurdle. With that mindset we'll never achieve what we want to achieve.

 

[AnnetteMeetsJane]

Many parts of London have very narrow streets & sidewalks; Toronto is not unique.

The City of London was forced to reduce vehicular access, enforced by the Ring of Steel, in the 90's which perversely has probably helped them to push people out of their cars and on to public transit.

 

[Northern Light]

I would like to thank UT members who have taken up the cause of getting Bikes into Bikeshare Stations in North York.....

4/6 stations at York U now have healthy numbers of bikes........

This improvement extends to a greater area as well.

East of the 400, there are only a handful of stations without bikes.

West of the 400 remains an issue for now.

Big improvement though.

 

[nfitz]

The City of London was forced to reduce vehicular access, enforced by the Ring of Steel, in the 90's which perversely has probably helped them to push people out of their cars and on to public transit.

The City of London only has a population of about 11,000 people and an area of 2.9 km².

It's this very small historic area that the Ring of Steel protects. It has little to do with traffic of Greater London.

 

[evandyk]

Almost 700,000 people work in that square mile. About 2% of all the jobs in the country. I'm quite sure not being able to easily drive cars into it does impact the traffic of Greater London.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

This was the scene last night at BMO Field before the game. There were two broken docks in the stall by BMO Field that tricked everyone checking the app to come over to park their bike. One of the docks actually worked somewhat allowing people to “end their ride” (as confirmed in the app) before rejecting the bike. We piled the "ended rides" bikes in front of the docks.

I’ve recommended that they greatly expand this dock capacity to accommodate gameday riders. I noticed a new station appear on the south side of Exhibition GO which I swear was not there before. They should add another on the north side of the tracks.