[RapidTransit]

Besides the one time capital cost to make Sheppard a 6car line, Stations etc, what's the operation cost that would increase? It currently uses OPTO, using one operator anyways. An extra two cars per trainset can't be that much of an operational burden. I get the ridership part.
I don't understand why TTC made them permanent 4car sets. They should have made it 6car trainset, that way logistically they're not restricted to one line, and can easily move trains between the lines. And you add capacity at minimal cost.

Again, besides the one time capital cost with platform, especially knowing most of the stations have walls that are meant to be easily removed. So platform wise there might not be a huge cost.

If it's signal cost, TTC was going to ATC anyways. Or even now OPTO.

 

[JBR]

Besides the one time capital cost to make Sheppard a 6car line, Stations etc, what's the operation cost that would increase? It currently uses OPTO, using one operator anyways. An extra two cars per trainset can't be that much of an operational burden. I get the ridership part.
I don't understand why TTC made them permanent 4car sets. They should have made it 6car trainset, that way logistically they're not restricted to one line, and can easily move trains between the lines. And you add capacity at minimal cost.

Again, besides the one time capital cost with platform, especially knowing most of the stations have walls that are meant to be easily removed. So platform wise there might not be a huge cost.

If it's signal cost, TTC was going to ATC anyways. Or even now OPTO.

By the time Line4 is built the TRs will be close to retiring and new trains on Line2 and more on the way for Line1 and 4 (based on the RFP for new train sets currently out for tender). So might as well make Line4 for 6cars at that time.

 

[KhalilHeron]

Do you have some recommendations?

anything on Midland between Finch and McNicoll for great Chinese food, as well as some good Korean and Viet. Shawarma Empire or Gadhir across the street at Lawrence and Pharmacy. Kebab Kountry at Lawrence and Scarborough golf club. Subiksha Foods on Eglinton near Brimley, or Anjapar Chettniad at Eglinton and Bellamy for great South Indian. Rouge Bakery at Morningside and Sheppard for Sri Lankan bakery (always pick up lunch to go here before a trip to the zoo). and Great Fountain Fast Food at Sheppard and Midland for great cheap Hong Kong fast food. And lastly Mona's Roti on Sheppard between McCowan and Markham.

 

[Kyle Campbell]

By the time Line4 is built the TRs will be close to retiring and new trains on Line2 and more on the way for Line1 and 4 (based on the RFP for new train sets currently out for tender). So might as well make Line4 for 6cars at that time.

Even with an extension, would the projected ridership really demand that? Sheppard right now isn't anwhere close to capacity even of a 4 car train. It has less than half the ridership of LRT lines in Calgary, Edmonton or Ottawa, or the 504 King streetcar.

 

[micheal_can]

Even with an extension, would the projected ridership really demand that? Sheppard right now isn't anwhere close to capacity even of a 4 car train. It has less than half the ridership of LRT lines in Calgary, Edmonton or Ottawa, or the 504 King streetcar.

If this line were connected to the Line 2extension to the east and to the airport in the west,it would have the ridership.

 

[nfitz]

Even with an extension, would the projected ridership really demand that? Sheppard right now isn't anwhere close to capacity even of a 4 car train. It has less than half the ridership of LRT lines in Calgary, Edmonton or Ottawa, or the 504 King streetcar.

There wouldn't be the ridership to support longer trains. The last modelling I saw increased the peak-point ridership to about 7,000 per direction from 5,000 per direction. Pre-Covid they only ran every 6 minutes, and at most you had to stand during rush-hour. They could easily handle the increased ridership by moving from every 6 minutes to every 4 minutes at peak. These days the scheduled frequency is only every 7⅓ minutes at peak.

 

[RapidTransit]

By the time Line4 is built the TRs will be close to retiring and new trains on Line2 and more on the way for Line1 and 4 (based on the RFP for new train sets currently out for tender). So might as well make Line4 for 6cars at that time.

Even if ridership doesn't warrant it. Looking at the burger picture in terms of logistics, and minimal operational increases if that with the added extra pair of cars, it's still worth while .

But yes, based on the RFP, they're already looking at replacing the current TR, which is wild. Could be a way to keep Alstom going for as long as possible. There's going to be delays too, so might as well start planning out.

It's hard to believe the TRs are already 15 years old. Half way point if the project lifespan is 30 years.

Province should start with the Line 2 extention as well. Just two stops, shouldn't be that big of a deal. But maybe to Cloverdale considering all the planned developments that will happen. And add more to the train order with the chance of gets a cheaper per unit price.

Again looking at the big picture.

 

[81-717]

But yes, based on the RFP, they're already looking at replacing the current TR, which is wild.

They're merely doing the logical thing of thinking ahead and doing the math, aiming for the 2040s (unless they do decide to piggyback on the tail end of the upcoming deliveries in 2035 & thus replace the TRs 5 years earlier, like the H6s). Might as well start planning ahead for the replacement of those cars in the 2060s

There's going to be delays too

Better not be, it's bad enough that the upcoming order has been delayed from 2026 to 2030.

It's hard to believe the TRs are already 15 years old. Half way point if the project lifespan is 30 years.

Indeed (although the youngest are only half that age).

 

[kev1n1m]

Scarborough is perhaps the most racial and food diverse place on the planet, and is made better by the absence of people that believe it is beneath them.

Suresh is definitely someone to follow and support to lift up the Scarborough food scene: https://substack.com/@sureshdoss

 

[nfitz]

So with the TBM's at a dead stop for four months, this project is going to be at least over a year behind by the time it's complete.
How did they encounter unfavorable soil conditions when they would have done soil samples along the route? Makes no sense.

TBMS have been stuck for about a quarter-century now.

 

[Northern Light]

Back to Sheppard, developers are now getting in on the hard push:

That would almost certainly have something to do with:

569 Sheppard Avenue West (Tenblock, ?, ?)

Nope. This will not happen in a year. There's a lot of advocacy ahead,.. a lot of different City department to deal with,... especially City Park and Rec's Don Valley Golf Course - they've been the biggest road block to a multi-use trail for the last 20 years,... I personally have been...

urbantoronto.ca

 

[generalcanada]

Back to Sheppard, developers are now getting in on the hard push:

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That would almost certainly have something to do with:

569 Sheppard Avenue West (Tenblock, ?, ?)

Nope. This will not happen in a year. There's a lot of advocacy ahead,.. a lot of different City department to deal with,... especially City Park and Rec's Don Valley Golf Course - they've been the biggest road block to a multi-use trail for the last 20 years,... I personally have been...

urbantoronto.ca

Lobbying with the city? isnt this a Provencial project? Not sure what they hope to gain from that

 

[nfitz]

Lobbying with the city? isnt this a Provencial project? Not sure what they hope to gain from that

I'd assume their main lobbying focus would be with the province. But it doesn't hurt to get the city to push it as well to the province.

Is the provincial registry public?

 

[Northern Light]

Lobbying with the city? isnt this a Provencial project? Not sure what they hope to gain from that

It is a City registry, so yes, it means they are seeking to lobby either staff or member(s) of Council/the Mayor.

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I can't speak to the exact nature of the lobbying, but there are many reasons one might lobby the City on this file.

- Request that the City push for route 'x'. The TTC will be the operator of any expanded Line 4, the City will have some considerable say.

- Future MTSA designations along the route; tied to future station locations.

- Potential property impacts from station and emergency exit works, and/or above-grade construction.

While the latter would be I.O./ Mx led...........the reality is that the TTC does a lot of the heavy lifting on these projects on contract to Mx/I.O.

 

[generalcanada]

It is a City registry, so yes, it means they are seeking to lobby either staff or member(s) of Council/the Mayor.

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I can't speak to the exact nature of the lobbying, but there are many reasons one might lobby the City on this file.

- Request that the City push for route 'x'. The TTC will be the operator of any expanded Line 4, the City will have some considerable say.

- Future MTSA designations along the route; tied to future station locations.

- Potential property impacts from station and emergency exit works, and/or above-grade construction.

While the latter would be I.O./ Mx led...........the reality is that the TTC does a lot of the heavy lifting on these projects on contract to Mx/I.O.

Isnt MTSA default now? Like if it did happen isnt zoning around stations massive?