[T-Bor]

Not sure signal priority is turned on yet since the line isn't in operation.

I may have missed the memo on this - does that mean that Finch does have signal priority, but Eglinton doesn't?

 

[robmausser]

I may have missed the memo on this - does that mean that Finch does have signal priority, but Eglinton doesn't?

Eglinton has signal priority, no one ever said it didn't. It just has been greatly reduced in its efficacy.

Same with Finch.

 

[jmi22]

I was driving along finch west during rush hour and on the 400 off ramp the train got stuck behind cars blocking the tracks exiting the highway.

I don't think one sentence has so perfectly captured the essence of Transit City before. Bravo

 

[jmi22]

Eglinton has signal priority, no one ever said it didn't. It just has been greatly reduced in its efficacy.

Same with Finch.

To describe a signaling system that sometimes maybe kinda will hold green lights for LRVs with the same name as a system that provides absolute priority to street running rail at all at-grade intersections (i.e Euro modern tramway systems) is just erroneous.

Call it signal modification, transit signal assistance or whatever else, but having four cars turn left ahead of 150 riders on a LRV is *NOT* transit being prioritized, no matter what the MTO or Transportation Services says.

 

[nightstreak]

its time to let it go........

Not gonna let it go. When the politicians who want to brag about transit they voted against but got built in spite of them, when they are dead and gone and with the TTC operating the LRT lines, it's a matter of time before the branding gets blurred and the stronger branding — the TTC's — gets adopted consistently, if nothing else for rider clarity.

 

[Bordercollie]

Not gonna let it go. When the politicians who want to brag about transit they voted against but got built in spite of them, when they are dead and gone and with the TTC operating the LRT lines, it's a matter of time before the branding gets blurred and the stronger branding — the TTC's — gets adopted consistently, if nothing else for rider clarity.

For cross town they were saying you could go from Scarborough to black Creek in 25min. I would say times that by 2.5x.

 

[T3G]

Not gonna let it go. When the politicians who want to brag about transit they voted against but got built in spite of them, when they are dead and gone and with the TTC operating the LRT lines, it's a matter of time before the branding gets blurred and the stronger branding — the TTC's — gets adopted consistently, if nothing else for rider clarity.

I really can't see this happening, seeing as ML will be the owner of the vehicles.

I also think that rider clarity is a bit of a red herring on local city transit systems - if it mattered that much, subways would be painted in the TTC scheme, and we wouldn't have any ad wrapped buses.

 

[urbancog]

For cross town they were saying you could go from Scarborough to black Creek in 25min. I would say times that by 2.5x.

No, the business case stated 40 minutes Kennedy to Mt Dennis:

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

No, the business case stated 40 minutes Kennedy to Mt Dennis:
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Hmm. Being 2025 now, should Line 5 be 3 min. 30 sec. when it opens?

What about Line 6?

 

[nightstreak]

I also think that rider clarity is a bit of a red herring on local city transit systems - if it mattered that much, subways would be painted in the TTC scheme, and we wouldn't have any ad wrapped buses.

Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is visiting or moving to a new a city for the first time. Yes, established Torontonians understand all the idiosyncrasies of our transit system and how to get around but seeing vehicles branded with the same colours and symbols has always made it easy to get around in cities where that happens and confusing as hell when modes of transit have broken up branding.

When you're in a subway, the stations themselves and their clear TTC branding with many stations having streetcars or buses painted in TTC colours are the branding, not the train cars once you're already on the platform. In the long term, it might not matter but there's no reason to make it harder by creating a different livery for LRT cars vs streetcars and buses.

 

[T3G]

Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is visiting or moving to a new a city for the first time. Yes, established Torontonians understand all the idiosyncrasies of our transit system and how to get around but seeing vehicles branded with the same colours and symbols has always made it easy to get around in cities where that happens and confusing as hell when modes of transit have broken up branding.

When you're in a subway, the stations themselves and their clear TTC branding with many stations having streetcars or buses painted in TTC colours are the branding, not the train cars once you're already on the platform. In the long term, it might not matter but there's no reason to make it harder by creating a different livery for LRT cars vs streetcars and buses.

Your comment might have some weight to it if we were talking about there being a diverse group of coach buses at a centralized bus station, and you needed to quickly identify yours, but we're not. We're talking about a city transit system where no other agencies come anywhere close to running, so how is this a big deal?

Besides, youkind of defeated your own argument with the subway example, since in the core the Crosstown will be underground.
And if there was a visitor who for reasons unknown travelled to Scarborough or North York, surely the fact that they were able to find these places on a map also means that they will be able to identify the vehicles running.


Don't get me wrong, the LRT livery is an abomination against good taste, but that's all it is.

 

[jmi22]

No, the business case stated 40 minutes Kennedy to Mt Dennis:

Whats up with the two surface segments (Black Creek and Weston) running at the same speed as the street-running sections? They will both be fully grade separated, akin to sections of Line 2 in Etobicoke and Scarbs, just not tunneled.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Whats up with the two surface segments (Black Creek and Weston) running at the same speed as the street-running sections? They will both be fully grade separated, akin to sections of Line 2 in Etobicoke and Scarbs, just not tunneled.

Guessing it is more the effect of rounding on such a small number plus dwell time at stations (vs. travel time) driving the figure.

AoD

 

[nfitz]

Whats up with the two surface segments (Black Creek and Weston) running at the same speed as the street-running sections? They will both be fully grade separated, akin to sections of Line 2 in Etobicoke and Scarbs, just not tunneled.

I think an earlier plan was that there's have been at-grade surface stops at Black Creek, Weston Rd (and Jane, Scarlett, etc.). But they replaced it for a single grade separation at Black Creek, and merged the stops into a single station at Mount Dennis at the rail tracks.

 

[jmi22]

I think an earlier plan was that there's have been at-grade surface stops at Black Creek, Weston Rd (and Jane, Scarlett, etc.). But they replaced it for a single grade separation at Black Creek, and merged the stops into a single station at Mount Dennis at the rail tracks.

Thank god they canned those stops. The fact a grade crossing with a literal highway was ever on the plans is obscene. I can assume the same geniuses (ie David Miller) who wanted to replace every stop on the 32 bus 1-1 with a LRT stop were responsible for that?