Richard White
Senior Member
It's a shame Wychwood and Danforth have been decommissioned.
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It's a shame Wychwood and Danforth have been decommissioned.
EYorker
New Member
Agreed. More so for Wychwood. Since that is the whole exercise of the Hillcrest reconfiguration.
It's great there is an adaptive reuse of the property. But I'm sure the TTC is kicking themselves for being without it now.
Northern Light
Superstar
Given that Danforth is still standing; and that the police just gave up building there, and no indication from
Createto when site planning will resume....
Hell, LOL, the rails are still there on Danforth, just buried in asphalt......but no, I don't imagine we could re-use those.
But its not a big stretch to re-use it as a storage facility, It would require track and overhead from Upper Gerrard to the Yard.....maybe a bit over 1km, plus, same on-site.
I don't actually think that's the best long-term use of the site, but a bare-bones storage only option that excludes, wash/maintenance needn't be that pricey.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Jonny5
Senior Member
Wychwood I expect would have had to undergo a costly renovation simply to accommodate the new streetcars, but also bring back large amounts of new equipment.
They are probably paying what they would have paid then, inflation adjusted.
JSF-1
Active Member
I had to look into my notes but at the time the TTC sold Wychwood Carhouse in the mid-90's it needed half a million dollars in renovations to handle the CLRV and ALRV cars. That's about 937k today in 2025. Of course the carhouse would need further upgrades to handle the Flexity Cars so we can assume it would need about a million or so dollars in work. The TTC didn't bother upgrading Wychwood because they didn't want to (or couldn't) afford the $500k in upgrades and they weren't going to get it from the City and especially the Province at the time, so they sold it to the city for a dollar.
DSCToronto
Superstar
Passed at Council today
Consideration Type: ACTIONWard: 13 - Toronto Centre
Attention
* This Motion has been deemed urgent by the Chair.
* This Motion is not subject to a vote to waive referral. This Motion has been added to the agenda and is before Council for debate.
1. City Council direct the General Manager, Transportation Services, to review the King Street and Church Street transit detour operation and work with Toronto Transit Commission to identify and implement any further transit priority enhancements in consultation with the local Councillor and relevant stakeholders, including, but not limited to, traffic agents, paid duty officers, signal timing changes, parking changes, and other on street changes, that would enhance streetcar operations for the duration of the works.
Recent data shows that the streetcars diverting due to construction at King Street East. and Church Street are moving as slowly as 3.7 kilometers per hour through downtown. That is not the transit service that people expect and additional measures to speed up the streetcars during this construction must be taken.
Investing in upgraded Toronto Transit Commission infrastructure is an important part of our strategy to get Toronto moving – but each project carries a short-term impact on commuters that we have to ensure is carefully managed to keep people moving reliably.
With additional funding from the New Deal, we will see more projects to repair our crumbling infrastructure. Each of these projects needs to be carefully managed and coordinated, and we need to bring every possible tool to bear to keep our city moving.
Reason for urgency: the diversion is currently underway and any measures to speed up travel times must be implemented as soon as possible.
https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/mm/bgrd/backgroundfile-255633.pdf
MM30.36 - Speeding Up Streetcars: Getting People Moving Faster During King and Church Construction - by Mayor Olivia Chow, seconded by Councillor Chris Moise
Motion without NoticeConsideration Type: ACTIONWard: 13 - Toronto Centre
Attention
* This Motion has been deemed urgent by the Chair.
* This Motion is not subject to a vote to waive referral. This Motion has been added to the agenda and is before Council for debate.
Recommendations
Mayor Olivia Chow, seconded by Councillor Chris Moise, recommends that:1. City Council direct the General Manager, Transportation Services, to review the King Street and Church Street transit detour operation and work with Toronto Transit Commission to identify and implement any further transit priority enhancements in consultation with the local Councillor and relevant stakeholders, including, but not limited to, traffic agents, paid duty officers, signal timing changes, parking changes, and other on street changes, that would enhance streetcar operations for the duration of the works.
Summary
The 504 King Streetcar carries over 100,000 people each day and is a key connection for people getting downtown.Recent data shows that the streetcars diverting due to construction at King Street East. and Church Street are moving as slowly as 3.7 kilometers per hour through downtown. That is not the transit service that people expect and additional measures to speed up the streetcars during this construction must be taken.
Investing in upgraded Toronto Transit Commission infrastructure is an important part of our strategy to get Toronto moving – but each project carries a short-term impact on commuters that we have to ensure is carefully managed to keep people moving reliably.
With additional funding from the New Deal, we will see more projects to repair our crumbling infrastructure. Each of these projects needs to be carefully managed and coordinated, and we need to bring every possible tool to bear to keep our city moving.
Reason for urgency: the diversion is currently underway and any measures to speed up travel times must be implemented as soon as possible.
Background Information
Member Motion MM30.36https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/mm/bgrd/backgroundfile-255633.pdf
Mihairokov
Active Member
Looking forward to these changes being implemented in 2026.
DSCToronto
Superstar
Also passed today:
Consideration Type: ACTIONWard: 10 - Spadina - Fort York
Attention
* This Motion has been deemed urgent by the Chair.
* This Motion is not subject to a vote to waive referral. This Motion has been added to the agenda and is before Council for debate.
1. City Council authorize an amendment to Purchase Order #6054610 and Contract 23ECS-RD-09SP with Midome Construction Services Limited for the installation of new streetcar tracks and associated infrastructure on Adelaide Street, between York Street and Victoria Street in the amount of $200,000.00 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable, revising the current Purchase Order value from $49,084,299.49 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable to up to $49,284,299.49 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable.
Remaining works on the project, delivered by the City and funded by Metrolinx, is on schedule for completion by June 2025. In accordance with Item 2023-GG2.16, approved by City Council on March 29, 2023, Midome Construction Services Limited was awarded a non-competitive contract totalling $40,240,992, exclusive of Harmonized Sales Tax recoveries to deliver the work.
In December 2023, City Council authorized MM13.23, an Amendment to the contract which increased the value of the Purchase Order #6054610 by a total value $3,376,905.60, from $40,240,992, to $43,617,897.60 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable.
On March 21, 2024, City Council authorized MM16.43, as the second Purchase Order Amendment to address several unforeseen design changes, including relocation of Toronto Hydro, Zayo, Rogers and Beanfield cables, within the new streetcar tracks and installing Toronto Transit Commission priority loops and traffic signals at York/Adelaide intersection to meet current design requirements. This amendment to the contract increased the value of the Purchase Order #6054610 by a total value $5,466,401.89, from $43,617,897.60 to $49,084,299.49 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable.
A third amendment to the purchase order is now required to help reduce construction impacts in the downtown corridor. Due to ongoing construction at the King and Church intersection, the Toronto Transit Commission is diverting service—primarily along Adelaide Street. To minimise resulting traffic impacts on the Toronto Transit Commission diversion and other traffic on this important corridor, the project team needs to shift construction activities to nighttime hours. This request pertains to the additional costs associated with the transition to night work, which will be funded by Transportation Services.
The total value of this third Purchase Order Amendment being requested is $200,000.00 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable, revising the current Purchase Order value from $49,084,299.49 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable to up to $49,284,299.49 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable.
The funding of this amendment is included in the 2025 – 2034 Capital Budget and Plan for Transportation Services, under Major Road Rehabilitation (CTP315-06).
Reason for urgency: Construction work is currently taking place on Adelaide Street.
MM30.35 - Purchase Order Amendment on Contract with Midome Construction Services Limited for the New Streetcar Tracks on Adelaide Street - by Deputy Mayor Ausma Malik, seconded by Councillor Chris Moise
Motion without NoticeConsideration Type: ACTIONWard: 10 - Spadina - Fort York
Attention
* This Motion has been deemed urgent by the Chair.
* This Motion is not subject to a vote to waive referral. This Motion has been added to the agenda and is before Council for debate.
Recommendations
Deputy Mayor Ausma Malik, seconded by Councillor Chris Moise, recommends that:1. City Council authorize an amendment to Purchase Order #6054610 and Contract 23ECS-RD-09SP with Midome Construction Services Limited for the installation of new streetcar tracks and associated infrastructure on Adelaide Street, between York Street and Victoria Street in the amount of $200,000.00 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable, revising the current Purchase Order value from $49,084,299.49 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable to up to $49,284,299.49 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable.
Summary
The purpose of this motion is to seek on behalf of the Chief Engineer and Executive Director, Engineering and Construction Services and the General Manager, Transportation Services, City Council's authorization to amend Purchase Order #6054610 and contract 23ECS-RD-09SP with Midome Construction Services Limited dated March 29, 2023, for the installation of new streetcar tracks and associated infrastructure on Adelaide Street, between York Street and Victoria Street. This work is a part of the planned streetcar detour around the Ontario Line Queen Street closure and this amendment is required to enable works to take place overnight and so minimise the impacts of construction on Toronto Transit Commission operations and other traffic in the corridor.Remaining works on the project, delivered by the City and funded by Metrolinx, is on schedule for completion by June 2025. In accordance with Item 2023-GG2.16, approved by City Council on March 29, 2023, Midome Construction Services Limited was awarded a non-competitive contract totalling $40,240,992, exclusive of Harmonized Sales Tax recoveries to deliver the work.
In December 2023, City Council authorized MM13.23, an Amendment to the contract which increased the value of the Purchase Order #6054610 by a total value $3,376,905.60, from $40,240,992, to $43,617,897.60 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable.
On March 21, 2024, City Council authorized MM16.43, as the second Purchase Order Amendment to address several unforeseen design changes, including relocation of Toronto Hydro, Zayo, Rogers and Beanfield cables, within the new streetcar tracks and installing Toronto Transit Commission priority loops and traffic signals at York/Adelaide intersection to meet current design requirements. This amendment to the contract increased the value of the Purchase Order #6054610 by a total value $5,466,401.89, from $43,617,897.60 to $49,084,299.49 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable.
A third amendment to the purchase order is now required to help reduce construction impacts in the downtown corridor. Due to ongoing construction at the King and Church intersection, the Toronto Transit Commission is diverting service—primarily along Adelaide Street. To minimise resulting traffic impacts on the Toronto Transit Commission diversion and other traffic on this important corridor, the project team needs to shift construction activities to nighttime hours. This request pertains to the additional costs associated with the transition to night work, which will be funded by Transportation Services.
The total value of this third Purchase Order Amendment being requested is $200,000.00 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable, revising the current Purchase Order value from $49,084,299.49 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable to up to $49,284,299.49 net of Harmonized Sales Tax recoverable.
The funding of this amendment is included in the 2025 – 2034 Capital Budget and Plan for Transportation Services, under Major Road Rehabilitation (CTP315-06).
Reason for urgency: Construction work is currently taking place on Adelaide Street.
bearcat
Active Member
I don't understand this. Isn't construction done on Adelaide streetcars tracks already? The diversion is.currenlty using the tracks, what is this money for?
I assume something is unfinished, but I can't really tell where. I drive on that stretch of Adelaide not infrequently and there's no obvious outstanding construction between York and Victoria.
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Amare
Senior Member
They shouldn't stop at just this, City Council should direct the General Manager of Transportation Services, to optimize signal timing changes on streetcar routes right across the city. Enough of this crap of non-optimized transit signals.
DSCToronto
Superstar
Yes, I thought so too, there are a few sidewalk repairs needed but the tracks themselves all looked complete to me - and are being used.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
How about signal priority for streetcars turning? That would speed things up.
Amare
Senior Member
That certainly would as well, but with the TTC and their ancient special track rules that make streetcars crawl through special track work intersections, that would require quite the extended advanced green signaling to which Toronto Transportation Services would whine and complain about like no other. They'd probably come out and say it would adversely affect travel times for all commuters (aka motorists).
Bordercollie
Senior Member
100+ people on one streetcar vs 2 people in a car. I think that's worth a traffic Constable at that intersection.