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Jonny5
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Jonny5
Senior Member
Oh, the TTC side of the notice has many more details.
- At least one travel lane in each direction on Bathurst Street will be maintained during Phases 1 and 3.
- There will be no southbound travel on Bathurst Street during Phase 2.
- At least one travel lane in each direction on Lake Shore Boulevard West will remain open during all phases.
- Turn movements will be prohibited at the intersection of Bathurst Street and Lake Shore Boulevard West.
- During Phase 1 and 2, no eastbound left turns on Fleet Street at Bathurst Street will be allowed.
- Sidewalk access will be maintained at all times. When required, temporary pedestrian detours will be established with pedestrian detour signage.
- Parking will not be permitted within the work zones.
- Access to businesses and properties will be maintained.
DSCToronto
Superstar
Thanks, what is not clear (to me anyway) is whether they are going to shift the streetcar tracks on Bathurst to the west side of the street from the rail bridge (Fort York Blvd) to Lake Shore and create a separated track. This was spoken about a few years ago and would seem a good idea and not that hard to do.
Jonny5
Senior Member
Do you mean both north and south, or only south? I think northbound would be hard since those link up with the tracks from the other side of Lake Shore and then those may need to be reconfigured too. This may cause a very tight left turn for the 509 heading to the Ex on Fleet or the 511 heading north from Fleet.
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drum118
Superstar
It can be done with the shifting of traffic stop location further west than it is as well shifting fleet tracks to the south to keep the same turning radius that exist today. The platform would have to be further west as well
Even thought there was talk of doing this a few years ago, I don't think the shifting of the tracks to the curb lane will happen unless it can be done without an EA, Shifting the tracks south of Lake Shore would require closing the access entrance/exit off on Bathurst.
Shifting the tracks west between Fort York and Fleet would improve streetcar service a lot better for the 511 as it would not have to deal with light to a point, but need a new set at York from going from the centre to the west side. Traffic would no longer have an impact on the 511 and better flow for them.
We will know come February/March as to what is going to take place for the track.
Then there is TTC track replacement on QQ east of Bathurst St to east of Yo-Yo Ma Lane that is now over due now, That was talked about as well redoing QQ to match the rest of the road to the east of Yo-Yo Ma Lane and will that happen or straight track replacement??
DSCToronto
Superstar
The discussions (several years ago) were to move both tracks from the bridge to Lake Shore / Fleet to west side of the street and stop all westbound cars etc on the first few blocks of Fleet. This might need an EA and is not, I suspect, in their 2025 plans but ...
DSCToronto
Superstar
There is now a project page with some additional or updated details. https://www.toronto.ca/community-pe...rst-street-lake-shore-boulevard-construction/
Steve Munro
New Member
There is now a detailed list of planned streetcar and subway work for 2025: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/ttc/bgrd/backgroundfile-252236.pdf
nfitz
Superstar
From a series of off-topic posts about streetcar service in the Russell Yard thread:
I can quite understand why from his perspective that streetcars have failed. My use of cars has certainly increased since the service cuts. And also walking to adjacent routes, walking all together, and simply not heading out as much.
It's not so much the transit mode that's the issue. It's gross systemic TTC"s incompetence in route management - which needed to have significantly improved if they were going to significantly reduce the frequencies.
TTC swore up and down that routes like 506 wouldn't see much frequency reduction with the new vehicles. They even released tables of the planned frequencies, and fought with councillors who wanted a mix of 15-metre and 30-metre new vehicles to stop exactly what has now happened, from happening. I wish I could find those numbers now. Perhaps @Steve Munro has them?
The service reductions on routes like 506 (which is the route @hawc will be the most familiar with) from every 4-5 minutes (so every 10 minutes with the bunching), to every 10 minutes (every 20 minutes with bunching), drives away TTC ridership, and increases personal vehicle usage.
I can quite understand why from his perspective that streetcars have failed. My use of cars has certainly increased since the service cuts. And also walking to adjacent routes, walking all together, and simply not heading out as much.
It's not so much the transit mode that's the issue. It's gross systemic TTC"s incompetence in route management - which needed to have significantly improved if they were going to significantly reduce the frequencies.
TTC swore up and down that routes like 506 wouldn't see much frequency reduction with the new vehicles. They even released tables of the planned frequencies, and fought with councillors who wanted a mix of 15-metre and 30-metre new vehicles to stop exactly what has now happened, from happening. I wish I could find those numbers now. Perhaps @Steve Munro has them?
turbanplanner
Senior Member
This is my fault for not meticulously reading all the service advisories but last week I was going from ~king and Bathurst at 1am to exhibition GO.
I didn't realize the 509 was not running despite transee AND the TTC website had predictions for the 509 at union stations loop and even google maps told me to take the 509 streetcar.
The result was paying for the streetcar then having to uber at ~1:30AM to my destination. I'm amazed at how badly the service changes are communicated
I didn't realize the 509 was not running despite transee AND the TTC website had predictions for the 509 at union stations loop and even google maps told me to take the 509 streetcar.
The result was paying for the streetcar then having to uber at ~1:30AM to my destination. I'm amazed at how badly the service changes are communicated
DSCToronto
Superstar
Can the new streetcars go in reverse (at least for a bit) - I know that with poles it was impossible but with pantos????
T3G
Senior Member
It wasn't impossible, it was just difficult - you needed someone to guide the pole along, but it could absolutely be done:
The Flexitys are capable of reversing too. There are recessed controls in the back, I believe in the panel behind the final row of seats. I don't know what distance, though - I know that Prague's Skodas can only reverse the equivalent of one car length before you have to go back to the cab, and reset the controls. I don't see how that is helpful, but there it is.
drum118
Superstar
hawc
Senior Member
Argh. Yeah the 506 is so slow/unreliable that I bought a very small child's electric scooter JUST so I don't have to take that streetcar!
I ride this silly little scooter from my home to College station, then fold it up (it's about the size of a violin case when folded) and carry it in my lap.
In the winter you can't bring electric scooters on the subway so I now drive to Yonge and Lawrence each day and park in a $7 lot which is only pennies more expensive then a too/from fare on the TTC.
I used to love our transit system and I would happily use it if it weren't so painful.
We heave folks coming to Yonge and Lawrence from Roncesvalles and Liberty Village and it takes them 1 hour to 1.5 hours to get here. It's ridiculous. It's one of the main reasons people don't want to do more days in office and would prefer to work from home. Just so mismanaged. We need Reece running things.