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It wasn't impossible, it was just difficult - you needed someone to guide the pole along, but it could absolutely be done:


The Flexitys are capable of reversing too. There are recessed controls in the back, I believe in the panel behind the final row of seats. I don't know what distance, though - I know that Prague's Skodas can only reverse the equivalent of one car length before you have to go back to the cab, and reset the controls. I don't see how that is helpful, but there it is.
You are correct regarding the controls - the cars are essentially double-ended in that respect.

When using the poles someone needed to be outside guiding the pole through specialwork - and thus speed was limited to walking speed. With the pans, other than safety interlocks there are no physical reasons why the cars can't operate at full speed in reverse. And in fact, they have done so in testing.

Dan
 
From a series of off-topic posts about streetcar service in the Russell Yard thread:

The service reductions on routes like 506 (which is the route @hawc will be the most familiar with) from every 4-5 minutes (so every 10 minutes with the bunching), to every 10 minutes (every 20 minutes with bunching), drives away TTC ridership, and increases personal vehicle usage.

I can quite understand why from his perspective that streetcars have failed. My use of cars has certainly increased since the service cuts. And also walking to adjacent routes, walking all together, and simply not heading out as much.

It's not so much the transit mode that's the issue. It's gross systemic TTC"s incompetence in route management - which needed to have significantly improved if they were going to significantly reduce the frequencies.

TTC swore up and down that routes like 506 wouldn't see much frequency reduction with the new vehicles. They even released tables of the planned frequencies, and fought with councillors who wanted a mix of 15-metre and 30-metre new vehicles to stop exactly what has now happened, from happening. I wish I could find those numbers now. Perhaps @Steve Munro has them?
I might have this info in my archives, but it's in hard copy. I can't find an electronic version. I will look and get back to you.
 
You are correct regarding the controls - the cars are essentially double-ended in that respect.

When using the poles someone needed to be outside guiding the pole through specialwork - and thus speed was limited to walking speed. With the pans, other than safety interlocks there are no physical reasons why the cars can't operate at full speed in reverse. And in fact, they have done so in testing.

Dan
All streetcars can run in reverse. Any limitations are in operating policies or built into the control systems, not an inherent technical limitation. It's easier with pans because you don't need someone to guide the pole through special work, let alone to run interference with traffic.
 
Anyone have insights into what is wrong with the new order of Flexity cars?

A whole bunch of them haven't run in service since the summer - 4604, 4608, 4610, 4617. 4604's GPS hasn't even been powered on since December 19.
 
Anyone have insights into what is wrong with the new order of Flexity cars?

A whole bunch of them haven't run in service since the summer - 4604, 4608, 4610, 4617. 4604's GPS hasn't even been powered on since December 19.
One thing I am seeing with the new cars that they are sent back from Russell after SWIS work and spend days in the service bays for a fair number while other roll out into service. A few car that have enter service last only a few hours or part of the day and back to Leslie service bays where they spend a few days before going back into service. All of the old fleet took about an average of 10 days to enter service after being off loaded while the new ones are taking 18-24 days.

As I type this, 4636 enter service on the 24th on 504 and in the service bay at 3 pm the same day. It left Leslie at 4:22 am today and spent 12 minutes at Bathurst and St Clair Intersection, giving an impression it hit something or was hit, but is now westbound on St Clair. Driver could have gone for a coffee or drink at the intersection.

Most of the new cars are not show tracking info when entering service as well a number of the existing fleet in service.

Off hand from what I have seen tracking the new cars, there are more issues with them that the current fleet.
 
One thing I am seeing with the new cars that they are sent back from Russell after SWIS work and spend days in the service bays for a fair number while other roll out into service. A few car that have enter service last only a few hours or part of the day and back to Leslie service bays where they spend a few days before going back into service. All of the old fleet took about an average of 10 days to enter service after being off loaded while the new ones are taking 18-24 days.

As I type this, 4636 enter service on the 24th on 504 and in the service bay at 3 pm the same day. It left Leslie at 4:22 am today and spent 12 minutes at Bathurst and St Clair Intersection, giving an impression it hit something or was hit, but is now westbound on St Clair. Driver could have gone for a coffee or drink at the intersection.

Most of the new cars are not show tracking info when entering service as well a number of the existing fleet in service.

Off hand from what I have seen tracking the new cars, there are more issues with them that the current fleet.
I believe that 4617 was the car that tried to go to George Brown's cooking school at King & Frederick.
 
I believe that 4617 was the car that tried to go to George Brown's cooking school at King & Frederick.
Actually the culinary-inclined streetcar was 4612. Photo from @reinventingthewheel in June

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Oh this channel has great videos. Learned a lot about the cancelled expressways.
I am glad you enjoyed this one, it was a pain in the ass to put together. Trying to take 30 separate scripts, compiling them into a single timeline, and then making a 1 hour long animation for it was a long process. It's ultimately something I have wanted to do though since I started the streetcar video series back in 2020. You see a lot of videos showing the growth of subway lines on YouTube, but never one for Toronto's streetcars; and for good reason, its not a simple topic. While I know a couple of books have been written about Toronto's streetcar network, I wanted to present its entire history as a whole and at an individual line level in a visual medium. You can read a bunch of words on a page or website about the routes and how they got around, but it doesn't really paint a good picture (and sometimes it can be a bit obtuse what is being said). Trust me I know because it's what I had to do to put together all of those videos. The worst part is if there is missing information or unclear information because than you either have to hunt it down, or fill in the blank with your best guess which I admit I have had to do.
 
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It seems as though there was a derailment yesterday because of the snow.

I think given the amount of snow on the ground, the new fleet does much better than the old fleet. The only thing is that some opps are slower or more cautious than others which causes huge problems.

Even driven quite aggressively, they seem to do quite well.
 
Anyone have insights into what is wrong with the new order of Flexity cars?

A whole bunch of them haven't run in service since the summer - 4604, 4608, 4610, 4617. 4604's GPS hasn't even been powered on since December 19.
Without going into too much detail.. One of the newer vehicles encountered some damage. In order to mitigate further damage, a fleet wide inspection was conducted on all of the newly delivered vehicles. During the inspections a few more vehicles were found to have sustained similar damage. Some of these vehicles listed are the affected ones and were just waiting for parts to be replaced. 4608 and 4617 should be back on the road in the upcoming weeks if not days, with the others following shortly. As this is now a known issue, the later cars had this specific issue inspected before leaving the factory and thus later cars are not affected.
 
Word on CPTDB is that 4207 ('historic' ALRV) was trucked westward to pastures unknown (probably HCRR) today.

This car was stored at Roncesvalles and not Hillcrest, so there was no real reason to send it away at all. I trust it will not come back. Horrendous.
 
Word on CPTDB is that 4207 ('historic' ALRV) was trucked westward to pastures unknown (probably HCRR) today.

This car was stored at Roncesvalles and not Hillcrest, so there was no real reason to send it away at all. I trust it will not come back. Horrendous.
Like the rest of the TTC historic fleet, it will be stored at HCRR and it will return to Toronto in 5 years time.

TTC is very pressed for space within all 3 barns, and still more new deliveries incoming. Every little bit of space matters to them at this point.
 

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