Mihairokov
Active Member
Do they "include fast food at tram stops" or is this just a tram stop that happens to be near fast food? We have this too - streetcar stops at Church & Queen are within feet of a McDonald's.
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Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
In the "suburbs", many bus stops are f-a-r from shops, restaurants, or even an ATM. Especially those developed in the 1950's to the 1970's, though some new subdivisions continue that today. Hate it when there's a streetcar stop, but a newly built fast food restaurant has a drive-in driveway separating the streetcar stop from the entrance.
At any streetcar or bus stop, there should not be asphalt separating customers getting off transit vehicles to get to their destination. Put the car parking behind the building (and pay for the parking).
DSCToronto
Superstar
This thread is really veering WAAAAAY off the topic of the TTC Streetcar network.
Steve X
Senior Member
It’s difficult to run away from a parking fine. You also can’t repeat it again and again. Licence plates and makes/model are recognizable. Repeated offender could just be outright towed away.
Fare evader can run, slip away, tell fare enforcers to eff off and walk through. They don’t carry ID and give fake names. It is much easier to do so the increase fine does justify. Repeated offenders won’t serve jail time.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Continued from GO Construction Thread since that one veered waaay off topic of the GO network:
First of all, I never suggested any speeds that any particular lines need to achieve. I provided the speeds for the lines that others mentioned, because I like discussions to be based on facts not vibes.
28 km/h is not a speed that requires grade separation or a separate rail corridor. The fastest tram in Amsterdam - line 26 - covers 8.5 km in 16 minutes, which is an average speed of 33 km/h, though it benefits from a long tunnel. Looking at more typical tram lines, Rotterdam's tram 1 covers 12.2 km from De Loper to Centraal Station in 38 minutes, which is 19 km/h. That's 35% faster than any Toronto streetcar line, without ever using an abandoned rail corridor anything of that sort. I'd be very interested to see if you or anyone else can find any tram line anywhere in any western European country with an average speed lower than Toronto's fastest streetcar line (14 km/h off-peak, 12.8 km/h peak for the St. Clair streetcar)
Also note that the Valley line somehow got built in 2023 without using a vacant rail corridor. @ownthesky is being misleading by suggesting that the C-train and ETS LRT can only exist due to abandoned rail corridors, which is false. They do have some lines using abandoned rail corridors, but much of the network uses road rights of way, either by placing the lines in or next to roads, removing cars from roads such as 102 Ave in Edmonton and 7 Ave in Calgary, tunelling where necessary, acquiring property, or creating separate corridors for light rail as part of master planning.
You leave the streetcar lines exactly where they are now and fix them up as many others here have already identified: more signal priority, fewer stops, redesigned intersections, modern switches, traffic management on mixed traffic segments etc. You can also build selective grade separations where necessary. On the new LRT lines, the Eglinton & Victoria Park / O'Connor / Pharmacy intersections seem like an obvious place where a grade separation would have saved a ton of time for transit. You can also take advantage of parallel corridors where they exist, such as the Finch Hydro Corridor, which the Finch West LRT did not use.
First of all, I never suggested any speeds that any particular lines need to achieve. I provided the speeds for the lines that others mentioned, because I like discussions to be based on facts not vibes.
28 km/h is not a speed that requires grade separation or a separate rail corridor. The fastest tram in Amsterdam - line 26 - covers 8.5 km in 16 minutes, which is an average speed of 33 km/h, though it benefits from a long tunnel. Looking at more typical tram lines, Rotterdam's tram 1 covers 12.2 km from De Loper to Centraal Station in 38 minutes, which is 19 km/h. That's 35% faster than any Toronto streetcar line, without ever using an abandoned rail corridor anything of that sort. I'd be very interested to see if you or anyone else can find any tram line anywhere in any western European country with an average speed lower than Toronto's fastest streetcar line (14 km/h off-peak, 12.8 km/h peak for the St. Clair streetcar)
Also note that the Valley line somehow got built in 2023 without using a vacant rail corridor. @ownthesky is being misleading by suggesting that the C-train and ETS LRT can only exist due to abandoned rail corridors, which is false. They do have some lines using abandoned rail corridors, but much of the network uses road rights of way, either by placing the lines in or next to roads, removing cars from roads such as 102 Ave in Edmonton and 7 Ave in Calgary, tunelling where necessary, acquiring property, or creating separate corridors for light rail as part of master planning.
drum118
Superstar
TTC adjusting routing of 504 King replacement buses on Monday
May 30, 2025
Starting this Monday, June 2, 504C and 504D/304D King replacement buses will begin diverting around the King St. E and Church St. intersection to accommodate City of Toronto watermain work and TTC track replacement.
This routing change is happening earlier than planned due to a change in the City of Toronto’s schedule and will see buses divert via Jarvis St., Front St. (eastbound), Wellington St. (westbound) and Yonge St.
Existing diversions to the 503/303 Kingston Rd and the 504/304 King streetcars will remain as they are. The 504 King streetcar will divert both ways via Shaw St. and the 503 Kingston Rd. streetcar will continue to divert via Spadina and Queen, running west on King St. to Dufferin Loop.
Wheel-Trans service will remain accessible in all areas where local traffic is permitted.
As with all large-scale diversions, the TTC will monitor traffic conditions and service performance in real time and could make further changes as needed.
Updates to signage and stop pole notices along the route will be made in the coming few days.
The TTC is committed to keeping customers informed about work and events that impact service and about alternate routes. For the most up-to-date information, follow @TTCNotices on Twitter or sign up for eAlerts.
Immediate changes about this diversion will be reflected at https://www.ttc.ca/riding-the-ttc/U...304-King-and-508-Lake-Shore-streetcar-service.
May 30, 2025
Starting this Monday, June 2, 504C and 504D/304D King replacement buses will begin diverting around the King St. E and Church St. intersection to accommodate City of Toronto watermain work and TTC track replacement.
This routing change is happening earlier than planned due to a change in the City of Toronto’s schedule and will see buses divert via Jarvis St., Front St. (eastbound), Wellington St. (westbound) and Yonge St.
Existing diversions to the 503/303 Kingston Rd and the 504/304 King streetcars will remain as they are. The 504 King streetcar will divert both ways via Shaw St. and the 503 Kingston Rd. streetcar will continue to divert via Spadina and Queen, running west on King St. to Dufferin Loop.
Wheel-Trans service will remain accessible in all areas where local traffic is permitted.
As with all large-scale diversions, the TTC will monitor traffic conditions and service performance in real time and could make further changes as needed.
Updates to signage and stop pole notices along the route will be made in the coming few days.
The TTC is committed to keeping customers informed about work and events that impact service and about alternate routes. For the most up-to-date information, follow @TTCNotices on Twitter or sign up for eAlerts.
Immediate changes about this diversion will be reflected at https://www.ttc.ca/riding-the-ttc/U...304-King-and-508-Lake-Shore-streetcar-service.
sixrings
Senior Member
Other than the finch hydro corridor I don’t know where these existing corridors would be. Hydro doesnt want transit in their corridors. They messed up selling off the richview corridor.
I haven’t been to Edmonton in a decade so I can’t pretend to remember. Is it easier to do that in Edmonton simply because there’s less existing development there and or it’s value is a lot less
drum118
Superstar
May 31
TTC crew was working on splicing the southbound rails at Wellington on Bathurst St leaving a small pocket to pour concrete to match the rest of the trackwork replacement from Front to Wellington that is ready to be open,. Once the concrete is finished, TTC will do some test runs before opening the area and allowing the 511 to return to normal routing next week. Fleet is free and clear of all material and don't see anything stopping 511 to use Fleet again
As for 509, unless there something going on the Queens Quay as I did not look at it while driving, it could be back in service next week as well.
TTC crew was working on splicing the southbound rails at Wellington on Bathurst St leaving a small pocket to pour concrete to match the rest of the trackwork replacement from Front to Wellington that is ready to be open,. Once the concrete is finished, TTC will do some test runs before opening the area and allowing the 511 to return to normal routing next week. Fleet is free and clear of all material and don't see anything stopping 511 to use Fleet again
As for 509, unless there something going on the Queens Quay as I did not look at it while driving, it could be back in service next week as well.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
About two weeks ago I saw a crew marking the tracks at Bathurst and Front to be cut out and replaced. That section was really bad. At least they are doing things in tandem instead of closing it again at another date.
DSCToronto
Superstar
Yes, for some reason when the replaced the rails on the bridge a couple of years ago and on Bathurst south of King they left this short stretch. It should not be surprising that te TTC is fixing it now while the line is closed for work @ Lake Shore but .....
Jonny5
Senior Member
DSCToronto
Superstar
It was announced on Friday. Admittedly not long but the choice would have been to give a week's notice and pause the work or just get on with it. I think, wisely, they opted to press ahead. Having advance notice would have been good but better to get the damned thing done sooner!
Your photo is actually very interesting as it seems to show them fixing some of the deteriorated 'margins' on the tangent (straight) tracks on King just east of York. Great that they are taking advantage of no streetcars on this long stretch of King to do this, there are lots of very poor areas. They appear to be intending to do it all the way from Spadina to Sumach - let's hope they finish!
Milaisacat
New Member
I took the Spadina streetcar from Queen to Bloor on Friday afternoon. Huge mistake. How, on god's green earth, that took half an hour is beyond me. I genuinely could have walked faster. It's just absurd. It has it's own dedicated right of way, but intersection delays and the glacial pace of disembarking and boarding just killed me. You just have to laugh at how bad it is.
drum118
Superstar
I had no issues on Sunday and started at King
evandyk
Senior Member
Yeah, they're doing some sort of patch/spot work between Bay and York. The middle lanes are closed.