[Mihairokov]

Is the no stopping 7AM-7PM on Queen East b/w Church and Jarvis new and/or related to the streetcars? Parking enforcement was out midday ticketing every vehicle on sight.

 

[evandyk]

I was in earshot of a crew working on (I think) the Alias and they were complaining about the city enforcing no stopping on Richmond. Apparently causing issues with trucks coming to the site.

 

[felix123]

I was in earshot of a crew working on (I think) the Alias and they were complaining about the city enforcing no stopping on Richmond. Apparently causing issues with trucks coming to the site.

They'll live.

 

[Steve X]

Is the no stopping 7AM-7PM on Queen East b/w Church and Jarvis new and/or related to the streetcars? Parking enforcement was out midday ticketing every vehicle on sight.

This must be recent. I remember being able to park in front of Downtown Cameras by 3pm and grab whatever you need (paying for parking of course).

 

[Mihairokov]

This must be recent. I remember being able to park in front of Downtown Cameras by 3pm and grab whatever you need (paying for parking of course).

That's what i'm thinking. There is always cars parked along this section of Queen, and now parking enforcement is ticketing people stopping in any manner whatsoever. Watched a man get a ticket when he was standing at the ticket machine and the enforcement officer pointed to the no stopping signs.

The problem is that once cars are ticketed they just...sit there anyway. It punishes the motorist (or delivery company or whatever) slightly but doesn't immediately solve the issue that their car is taking up space still.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

In the context of traffic regulations, "stopping" is the temporary cessation of movement, while "standing" involves a more extended stop that may include loading or unloading, and "parking" is the act of leaving a vehicle unattended for a period of time.

 

[max]

The problem is that once cars are ticketed they just...sit there anyway. It punishes the motorist (or delivery company or whatever) slightly but doesn't immediately solve the issue that their car is taking up space still.

One hopes that they won't park there in the future given that the ticket has drawn attention to the parking regulations where the signage has failed.

I suspect you'd prefer a tow to immediately solve the problem, and if this is happening at rush hour then I'd advocate that as a solution. However at other times of the day I'm inclined to not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

One hopes that they won't park there in the future given that the ticket has drawn attention to the parking regulations where the signage has failed.

I suspect you'd prefer a tow to immediately solve the problem, and if this is happening at rush hour then I'd advocate that as a solution. However at other times of the day I'm inclined to not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Ticket during non-rush hours, but ticket AND toll during rush hours. Now, when is "rush hour"?

Hopefully, the fine is much more than having to park in a parking lot or garage.

 

[Mihairokov]

One hopes that they won't park there in the future given that the ticket has drawn attention to the parking regulations where the signage has failed.

I wonder how many people we'd have to cycle through before we exhausted all of the motorists who park on Queen street between 7AM-7PM every day.

I suspect you'd prefer a tow to immediately solve the problem, and if this is happening at rush hour then I'd advocate that as a solution. However at other times of the day I'm inclined to not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

I'll have to take a few more swings around to see how things are going, but from my last check the inside lane was filled with cars with tickets and the streetcars were still either stuck in traffic or being halted by construction workers with stop signs on Queen...

 

[evandyk]

I made the mistake of taking the 504 streetcar again this morning and it must have taken 15 minutes to go from Queen and Jarvis to Church and Richmond. I should have gotten out and grabbed a bixi. A much better play would have been to get off the streetcar at Queen and Broadview and get a 504 bus.

I was already half an hour late anyways thanks to the signal issues at St. George which meant it took 30 minutes to go from Dufferin to St. George.

 

[Mihairokov]

I'll have to take a few more swings around to see how things are going, but from my last check the inside lane was filled with cars with tickets and the streetcars were still either stuck in traffic or being halted by construction workers with stop signs on Queen...

$120.00 for each of the first three cars here.

They've also removed the out-of-order shelter on Queen and Church, either because people have been congregating in it for years or it was smashed while I was away, or both.

When I was crossing a car tried to run the red going NB on Church turning west on Queen, to which the traffic enforcement came out into the intersection and told them to continue NB rather than blocking the intersection on Queen.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

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$120.00 for each of the first three cars here.

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They've also removed the out-of-order shelter on Queen and Church, either because people have been congregating in it for years or it was smashed while I was away, or both.

When I was crossing a car tried to run the red going NB on Church turning west on Queen, to which the traffic enforcement came out into the intersection and told them to continue NB rather than blocking the intersection on Queen.

They take it as a $120.00 parking "fee", not a "fine".

Meanwhile, fare evaders could be charged over $450.00 on the streetcar. Which one is more problematic for actually getting the streetcars to run on time?

 

[lenaitch]

In the context of traffic regulations, "stopping" is the temporary cessation of movement, while "standing" involves a more extended stop that may include loading or unloading, and "parking" is the act of leaving a vehicle unattended for a period of time.

Close. From the HTA itself in relation to the three regulated states of not being in motion:

“stop” or “stopping”, when prohibited, means the halting of a vehicle, even momentarily, whether occupied or not, except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the directions of a police officer or of a traffic control sign or signal; (“arrêt”)

“stand” or “standing”, when prohibited, means the halting of a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except for the purpose of and while actually engaged in receiving or discharging passengers; (“immobilisation”)

“park” or “parking”, when prohibited, means the standing of a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except when standing temporarily for the purpose of and while actually engaged in loading or unloading merchandise or passengers;

So, basically, when signed or other rules (like fire hydrants);

no stopping means no, period

No standing means no, unless actively loading/unloading people(i.e. delivery truck can't be in a no standing zone but a taxi can)

No parking means no unless actively loading/unloading people or things (i.e. a delivery truck or a taxi can be in a no parking zone).

 

[reaperexpress]

On the topic of No Stopping vs No Standing, I've found it weirdly permissive that streetcar or bus stops are marked as 'No Standing' rather than 'No Stopping'. Someone loading or unloading passengers in a car is still disrupting operation of the stop.

Here in Ottawa - also subject to the same HTA - they use a No Stopping sign, buses excepted.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

At a tram stops in Frankfurt Germany they include fast food. Toronto's streetcar and bus stops should be expanded to include shops and restaurants within them. Including people who just walk-in for the food. How about ATMs?