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Someone skipping fares because they're upset about others legally riding free implies they themselves made the conscious choice to, not that anyone else made them.

1) It's ridiculous to call people who the TTC has officially granted free or reduced fares to as "freeloaders"
2) Whatever other upsides or drawbacks the free/reduced fares may have, framing it as a problem because other people may feel jealous of the privileged groups and will start fare beating in turn, is also ridiculous. Maybe all privileges and good things anyone has should be taken away, so that those who are jealous don't start misbehaving?

 

[smallspy]

Do the operators have schedule adherence data in their onboard computers? If they do, there is no excuse whatsoever for running hot, even if the route supervisor is also incompetent.

Yes. The VISION display shows them headway deviation, as well as the actual times to the vehicle ahead and vehicle behind.

Dan

 

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[Admiral Beez]

Agreed.

My father did care that people were not paying at first then when his superiors stopped supporting his efforts to enforce the fares he gave up caring.

He used to park the bus until someone paid and call for a supervisor. He even publicly shamed a few people until they did as well.

When he retired, they told him to carry on driving as it was not worth the hassle.

My grandfather drove a double decker AEC Routemaster from the end of WW2 until he retired in the 1980s. I remember as a lad the conductor in the back would make sure everyone paid. Really, a return to two personnel vehicles is the only sure way to prevent fare evasion.

 

[Amare]

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Are we living in the twilight zone? This isnt April Fools?

 

[81-717]

IF the TTC takes them back and shows a commitment to keeping the historic vehicles, then I'll eat my words. Not a moment before. The moment of truth is not coming for years

Looks like this moment of truth came early.

Every time someone mentions historic vehicles you always change the argument so that you come out of it looked like a spurned lover.

And you often change the argument so that I come out of it looking like the bad guy if I refuse to accept it.

Maybe all privileges and good things anyone has should be taken away, so that those who are jealous don't start misbehaving?

You may be onto something, and there's not a single yes or no answer, it depends on a case-by-case basis, I'll just leave it at that (though you could definitely make a case out of it when it comes to historic vehicles).

 

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Couldn't this be done in-house at the TTC? Why do we need to pay private sector executives and executives for work they hire that could be done by the TTC staff at Hillcrest or Leslie?

 

[nfitz]

Couldn't this be done in-house at the TTC? Why do we need to pay private sector executives and executives for work they hire that could be done by the TTC staff at Hillcrest or Leslie?

I'm sure it could be. But I wouldn't be surprised if this is cheaper, and a more efficient use of time.

Let's if the the HCRR puts in the lowest bid. Are they on the list of takers?

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

I'm sure it could be. But I wouldn't be surprised if this is cheaper, and a more efficient use of time.

Let's if the the HCRR puts in the lowest bid. Are they on the list of takers?

By "cheapest", you mean the least qualified and with little or no experience. One reason for the lateness of projects being done by the "cheapest".

 

[nfitz]

By "cheapest", you mean the least qualified and with little or no experience. One reason for the lateness of projects being done by the "cheapest".

HCRR is good at learning on the job. And it would cut down on transportation. And what's the rush?

 

[Richard White]

Let's if the the HCRR puts in the lowest bid. Are they on the list of takers?

God I hope not. I want this done right.

HCRR has too much on the go and not enough space or time to do it. They are also self-taught volunteers.

 

[smallspy]

They are also self-taught volunteers.

While you were right on most of your post, you are absolutely wrong here.

Quite a few volunteers are ex-TTC, both as operators and as maintenance.

On top of that, several of the volunteers operate outside of the HCRY as a for-profit corporation providing maintenance, management and planning services to other museums and historical railways.

Dan

 

[evandyk]

One of our posters here is one of the volunteers. He gave my family a train ride last year! I have no idea if he has any other experience, but certainly has passion.

 

[evandyk]

We have a babysitter who picks up my son at school some days. Today they decided that instead of going to the playground, they’d just ride the subway instead.

 

[generalcanada]

So they can put useful info on those screens....cool.