First, you're wrong and have zero evidence to support you supposition, which you concede immediately following with the words 'even if true'.
There is no call for making a statement in a form that you, yourself know is unsubstantiated and unlikely to be true, and is also aggressive in posture, where i haven't been at all aggressive with you (you're on ignore for the very reason that you tend to post this way)
. And even if true, not the kids fault.
At no point did I suggest it was 'the kids' fault in respect of young children; fault is irrelevant.
I didn't suggest penalizing children, I suggested that everyone should be treated equally and pay an identification fare.
The issue is not one of penalizing any group; its about delivering the most cost-efficient version of fare collection in order to reinvest in whatever combination of lower fares across the board or better service.
I see as many adults evading fares. Is that too because kids are free?
Why ask a silly question like that? The point of charging everyone an identical fare has many discrete benefits including much simpler administration, lower costs, and higher revenue collection per passenger, along with discouraging fare evasion.
It is not persecuting children or their parents to ask that they pay the same far for occupying the same seat as anyone else.
The savings here can be used to lower adult fares both on a per fare basis and through fare capping which lower your fare, and your spouses fare, at least partially offsetting the costs of any increase in your child's fare.
Would you come out at a net loss? In the absence of new subsidy, probably.
But you're a relatively affluent person who can afford that.
However, I'm not opposed to considering additional subsidy to get adult fares a bit lower still.
Also kids rarely go more than a handful of stops by themselves. But they should pay enough money to go for an hour ride?
1) When was 9, I was taking TTC 90m each way to school each day, and then on Fridays I went home to feed the cats before TTC'ing downtown to meet my parents for dinner. So some kids use the TTC much more extensively.
2) This isn't about kids, and your and Zang's obsession with that makes no sense. I proposed removing seniors fare concessions as well, and those for uni/college students and teens etc. The benefits don't accrue from a minor rationalization of fare structure, the accrue from a total rationalization of fare structure (including eliminating all cash fares).
That's what generates the $$ for more service and lower fares.
The money involved was peanuts - what was the loss when they did it - $5 million?
It was 8 million at the time, inflation adjusted it would be about 11.5M today.
If the alternative were restoring child fares at their previous level.
That is not my proposal. I believe, subject to reinvestments in lower adult fares, charging children, adult fares would likely result in a net take of around 30M per year.
But when applied to teens and post-sec. students and seniors, the number exceeds 100M per year by a fair bit. Its difficult to say, because I lack all the historical fare elasticity data, including the cohort/fare-class breakdowns.
Though I have some data allowing for some extrapolation.
Do take that with a grain of salt, because the calculation, while informed is very back of the envelope.
So about a 2¢ student/adult fare increase. It's literally a rounding error. And that doesn't include the saved costs on eliminating the extra work to have yet another class of tickets, passes, etc.
See above.
