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nfitz said:
No. Which can be annoying when your final streetcar gets short-turned at the 1 hour 55 minute mark (or even 2 hours 15 if you've already been on for 30 minutes or so).

But with all this fuss - I really don't see anywhere near 30% - or even 10% failing a fare inspection mid-route on a streetcar. The last one I saw fail was a homeless person. I seldom see more than one a car.

So I am a bit puzzled at this 30% stat.
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A lot of people tap when they see the inspector. Often the driver starts playing the announcement about video recording before they get on, giving people the chance to tap. Though I did see a guy get a ticket even after tapping when the inspectors got on. They saw him get off his seat to do it and nailed him. He tried to lie about just getting on, which didn't help his case. Then he said he was too busy on a zoom call and just forgot. The inspector told him just to focus on the call while he wrote up the ticket. Very funny, all around.
 
nfitz said:
I'm going to make a lot less of a mess with poutine and a fork than I am with burritos and burgers. A Big Mac leaves lettuce everywhere (for me at least).
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Yeah, I was referring to burgers with a wrapper to keep everything contained.
 
St. Clair and Dundas West stations have McDonald’s within their fare-paid areas. Pape station has a Tim Hortons within its fare-paid area. Eglinton station has a Cinnabon within its fare-paid area.

Thus, the TTC has no right to get rid of messy eaters and drink spillers on the subway without being seen as hypocritical.
 
DSCToronto said:
While I agree that public transit is not a suitable location for eating most food or clipping one's nails, I disagree with you (as is not uncommon) and would 'prefer' to sit on a finger-nail clipping rather than the remains of a Big Mac.
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If those are our choices, you have my full support. It’s fear of bedbugs that keeps me standing on any TTC vehicle equipped with fabric seats.
 
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This is first of 3 or 4 weeks of work in the area - also involves St Lukes Lane and Grosvenor St.

Wellesley St W from Yonge St to St Luke Lane​

Id:Tor-RDAR2025-93-2

Closure Type: Construction
Time Frame: Daily From: February 10, 2025 Until: ebruary 15, 2025Hours:11:00 pm to 5:00 am
Contractor: Toronto Transit Commission escription:Toronto-TMC:
TTC Subway Track Level Work - Re-insulation of C81 / C82 + Defect Repair Shuttle Buses running
 
Is there genuinely a service planning argument in favour of this short turn? I would think it would be easier to just terminate the service at Rylander and deadhead back to Malvern...

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Looking at the block, it comes 1 hour and 10 minutes after the previous westbound departure, so I am genuinely at a loss here.

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Admiral Beez said:
Does tapping when transferring extend the 2 hour free return trip window? If so that would encourage more to tap.
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No, but I'd argue its worth tapping on for the sake of fare inspectors. If you tap onto a streetcar and you have 5m left, the fare inspector should see that, and will likely be more lenient when it shows that you haven't paid.
 
ARG1 said:
No, but I'd argue its worth tapping on for the sake of fare inspectors. If you tap onto a streetcar and you have 5m left, the fare inspector should see that, and will likely be more lenient when it shows that you haven't paid.
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Your allowed to be on even after it expires

As long as you're within two hours from your first tap, you won't be charged another fare. If you are on a vehicle or enter a station with a few minutes remaining on your transfer, you can continue to complete your journey and do not need to tap if the transfer expires while you are on that vehicle.

Two-hour transfer

www.ttc.ca www.ttc.ca

nfitz said:
No. Which can be annoying when your final streetcar gets short-turned at the 1 hour 55 minute mark (or even 2 hours 15 if you've already been on for 30 minutes or so).

But with all this fuss - I really don't see anywhere near 30% - or even 10% failing a fare inspection mid-route on a streetcar. The last one I saw fail was a homeless person. I seldom see more than one a car.

So I am a bit puzzled at this 30% stat.
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The failure rate varries by the time of the day, late evenings is nearly 50% so that would skew the numbers if you ride during the day.
 
T3G said:
Is there genuinely a service planning argument in favour of this short turn? I would think it would be easier to just terminate the service at Rylander and deadhead back to Malvern...

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Looking at the block, it comes 1 hour and 10 minutes after the previous westbound departure, so I am genuinely at a loss here.

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You didn't look at the 395 schedule, did you?

Dan
 
turbanplanner said:
The failure rate varries by the time of the day, late evenings is nearly 50% so that would skew the numbers if you ride during the day.
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By that time of the day ridership is quite low. It does make one wonder on how the math was done for a report that showed unexpectedly high fare evasion.

At the same time, I've never seen a ticket inspection outside of 8 am to 6 pm. But maybe that's just me.
 
From the CEO's Report to next week's TTC meeting we get an update on the failures of ATC on Line 1 in recent weeks, the cause and remedial actions under way:

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