ARG1
Senior Member
No, but I'd argue its worth tapping on for the sake of fare inspectors. If you tap onto a streetcar and you have 5m left, the fare inspector should see that, and will likely be more lenient when it shows that you haven't paid.
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turbanplanner
Senior Member
Your allowed to be on even after it expires
As long as you're within two hours from your first tap, you won't be charged another fare. If you are on a vehicle or enter a station with a few minutes remaining on your transfer, you can continue to complete your journey and do not need to tap if the transfer expires while you are on that vehicle.
Two-hour transfer
www.ttc.ca
The failure rate varries by the time of the day, late evenings is nearly 50% so that would skew the numbers if you ride during the day.
smallspy
Senior Member
nfitz
Superstar
By that time of the day ridership is quite low. It does make one wonder on how the math was done for a report that showed unexpectedly high fare evasion.
At the same time, I've never seen a ticket inspection outside of 8 am to 6 pm. But maybe that's just me.
Northern Light
Superstar
From the CEO's Report to next week's TTC meeting we get an update on the failures of ATC on Line 1 in recent weeks, the cause and remedial actions under way:
SubHuman
Active Member
That's not much different from a GO train trip I took last week, leaving Union Station at 6:12 pm, to Unionville. Every seat on the upper level of the car I was on was occupied. Not that I'm complaining, but it did feel a little awkward to be in the middle of that many people being so quiet for that long.
txlseries4
Active Member
I don't take the subway frequently, but when I do and for well over a year, the train always goes much slower between Christie and Ossington than between other stations. I was on the train last night and again could feel the difference after leaving Christie Station (going west) -- sometimes in the tunnel the train seems to speed up briefly just before getting to Ossington. I've never seen a Reduced Speed Zone on the map for this section and it's been so consistent over time that I wonder if there's something about this section that prevents the subway from getting up to speed... Does anyone know?
T3G
Senior Member
There is a centre track situated between Christie and Ossington, and the speed limit has been lower in between those stations for ever.
txlseries4
Active Member
Coolibop
Active Member
Hopefully not more hydraulic spills causing that wheel spin issue...
The work cars strike again...
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
generalcanada
Senior Member
Another day with signal issues
This time between st george and broadview
This time between st george and broadview
PL1
Senior Member
An employee at Bloor was announcing that it's a broken rail. Anyway, fun commute.
DSCToronto
Superstar
The TTC Board Agenda for next week has a HUGE listing of subway and streetcar closures and diversions planned for 2025. SEE https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/ttc/bgrd/backgroundfile-252236.pdf
For those interested in seeing TTC Board agendas - they are now (only) posted on the City's TMMIS site https://secure.toronto.ca/council/#/committees/2944/26568
For those interested in seeing TTC Board agendas - they are now (only) posted on the City's TMMIS site https://secure.toronto.ca/council/#/committees/2944/26568
Northern Light
Superstar
So, I was indirectly impacted by the huge, rush-hour foul up of Line 2.
I wasn't traveling within the subway shutdown area, but from the east to Broadview.
So, for the moment, lets set aside the specifics of what caused the delay.
The manner in which it was handled was again, embarrassing and problematic.
Items to consider in this regard.
1) Shuttle buses are always a challenge, and almost always inadequate to replace subway service, especially at rush hour. But a couple of brief observations had me seeing one single {non-artic) shuttle bus every 2M.
That replaces less than 1/10th the capacity of a single train. Profoundly inadequate, and this remained the case more than 2 hours in....
2) Police/transit, as per usual did nothing to prohibit parking on Danforth in key spots that would allow the bus operation to run more quickly, and to create a more efficient turnaround for the buses. I recognize how mean it would be to tow large numbers of drivers in the circumstance, but this should be a friendly tow to the nearest possible spots, at no cost.
3) The turnaround time for trains at Broadview is dreadful. It was so slow it caused trains to be stopped east of Coxwell due to 'traffic' in the tunnels ahead. This indicates a turn time greater than 4M, and I think it might be closer to 7M.
There is obviously something wrong with the way the signals and track are laid out for the gap track here. My observation was, that no train could head west of of Chester while a train was in motion on the gap track. Perhaps @smallspy can speak to the set up here, but there must be a better way to do this.
Edit to add, I wonder if it would be feasible to put a crossover on the viaduct? (Just a thought)
4) Subsequently, when service resumed, trains, of course, were jammed to the gills, and so were subsequent buses. The TTC operators I encountered made their own lives more difficult with apparent indifference to the plight of riders. On the train, there was a crew change at Coxwell, which went unannounced. At no time, did the operators apologize on behalf of the TTC or ask riders for their patience; that's a fail at customer service 101. When later boarding a bus filled to the maximum, (I got on before it filled), the operator again made no annoucements, no apologies, no friendly advice to make the trip go better. Instead, he would let people on the through the front door, who could not manage to get behind the white line, and would then attempt to kick them off. This went over really well, with even normally passive riders yelling and even swearing at the operator, noting they had spent 2.5 hours trying to get home and would he just (impolite way of saying be quiet, and drive).
At this point, heads need to roll. You can't have operators behaving this way, and you can't be doing such a terrible job of crisis management on top of the terrible job at being a reliable service provider.
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Beyond the items I've stated above, its clear that more drivers and vehicles need to be available on stand-by; and at least a few need to be Artics. At least some station Managers, division managers, supervisors, CSAs and mechanics should be trained how to drive a bus so they can be seconded in an emergency. (so they have other jobs, they're not just sitting around, but can be seconded to drive as needed).
I wasn't traveling within the subway shutdown area, but from the east to Broadview.
So, for the moment, lets set aside the specifics of what caused the delay.
The manner in which it was handled was again, embarrassing and problematic.
Items to consider in this regard.
1) Shuttle buses are always a challenge, and almost always inadequate to replace subway service, especially at rush hour. But a couple of brief observations had me seeing one single {non-artic) shuttle bus every 2M.
That replaces less than 1/10th the capacity of a single train. Profoundly inadequate, and this remained the case more than 2 hours in....
2) Police/transit, as per usual did nothing to prohibit parking on Danforth in key spots that would allow the bus operation to run more quickly, and to create a more efficient turnaround for the buses. I recognize how mean it would be to tow large numbers of drivers in the circumstance, but this should be a friendly tow to the nearest possible spots, at no cost.
3) The turnaround time for trains at Broadview is dreadful. It was so slow it caused trains to be stopped east of Coxwell due to 'traffic' in the tunnels ahead. This indicates a turn time greater than 4M, and I think it might be closer to 7M.
There is obviously something wrong with the way the signals and track are laid out for the gap track here. My observation was, that no train could head west of of Chester while a train was in motion on the gap track. Perhaps @smallspy can speak to the set up here, but there must be a better way to do this.
Edit to add, I wonder if it would be feasible to put a crossover on the viaduct? (Just a thought)
4) Subsequently, when service resumed, trains, of course, were jammed to the gills, and so were subsequent buses. The TTC operators I encountered made their own lives more difficult with apparent indifference to the plight of riders. On the train, there was a crew change at Coxwell, which went unannounced. At no time, did the operators apologize on behalf of the TTC or ask riders for their patience; that's a fail at customer service 101. When later boarding a bus filled to the maximum, (I got on before it filled), the operator again made no annoucements, no apologies, no friendly advice to make the trip go better. Instead, he would let people on the through the front door, who could not manage to get behind the white line, and would then attempt to kick them off. This went over really well, with even normally passive riders yelling and even swearing at the operator, noting they had spent 2.5 hours trying to get home and would he just (impolite way of saying be quiet, and drive).
At this point, heads need to roll. You can't have operators behaving this way, and you can't be doing such a terrible job of crisis management on top of the terrible job at being a reliable service provider.
****
Beyond the items I've stated above, its clear that more drivers and vehicles need to be available on stand-by; and at least a few need to be Artics. At least some station Managers, division managers, supervisors, CSAs and mechanics should be trained how to drive a bus so they can be seconded in an emergency. (so they have other jobs, they're not just sitting around, but can be seconded to drive as needed).