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... No crazy people on the trains, no one is eating on the trains, and making any noise while on the train is considered rude. They don't even talk to others nor do they talk on the phone. Passengers have headphones on, and everyone looks at their phones...
That's not much different from a GO train trip I took last week, leaving Union Station at 6:12 pm, to Unionville. Every seat on the upper level of the car I was on was occupied. Not that I'm complaining, but it did feel a little awkward to be in the middle of that many people being so quiet for that long.
 
I don't take the subway frequently, but when I do and for well over a year, the train always goes much slower between Christie and Ossington than between other stations. I was on the train last night and again could feel the difference after leaving Christie Station (going west) -- sometimes in the tunnel the train seems to speed up briefly just before getting to Ossington. I've never seen a Reduced Speed Zone on the map for this section and it's been so consistent over time that I wonder if there's something about this section that prevents the subway from getting up to speed... Does anyone know?
 
I don't take the subway frequently, but when I do and for well over a year, the train always goes much slower between Christie and Ossington than between other stations. I was on the train last night and again could feel the difference after leaving Christie Station (going west) -- sometimes in the tunnel the train seems to speed up briefly just before getting to Ossington. I've never seen a Reduced Speed Zone on the map for this section and it's been so consistent over time that I wonder if there's something about this section that prevents the subway from getting up to speed... Does anyone know?
There is a centre track situated between Christie and Ossington, and the speed limit has been lower in between those stations for ever.
 
There is a centre track situated between Christie and Ossington, and the speed limit has been lower in between those stations for ever.
Same with a centre track situated between Broadview and Chester stations. Has been a slow zone forever.
 
So, I was indirectly impacted by the huge, rush-hour foul up of Line 2.

I wasn't traveling within the subway shutdown area, but from the east to Broadview.

So, for the moment, lets set aside the specifics of what caused the delay.

The manner in which it was handled was again, embarrassing and problematic.

Items to consider in this regard.

1) Shuttle buses are always a challenge, and almost always inadequate to replace subway service, especially at rush hour. But a couple of brief observations had me seeing one single {non-artic) shuttle bus every 2M.
That replaces less than 1/10th the capacity of a single train. Profoundly inadequate, and this remained the case more than 2 hours in....

2) Police/transit, as per usual did nothing to prohibit parking on Danforth in key spots that would allow the bus operation to run more quickly, and to create a more efficient turnaround for the buses. I recognize how mean it would be to tow large numbers of drivers in the circumstance, but this should be a friendly tow to the nearest possible spots, at no cost.

3) The turnaround time for trains at Broadview is dreadful. It was so slow it caused trains to be stopped east of Coxwell due to 'traffic' in the tunnels ahead. This indicates a turn time greater than 4M, and I think it might be closer to 7M.
There is obviously something wrong with the way the signals and track are laid out for the gap track here. My observation was, that no train could head west of of Chester while a train was in motion on the gap track. Perhaps @smallspy can speak to the set up here, but there must be a better way to do this.

Edit to add, I wonder if it would be feasible to put a crossover on the viaduct? (Just a thought)

4) Subsequently, when service resumed, trains, of course, were jammed to the gills, and so were subsequent buses. The TTC operators I encountered made their own lives more difficult with apparent indifference to the plight of riders. On the train, there was a crew change at Coxwell, which went unannounced. At no time, did the operators apologize on behalf of the TTC or ask riders for their patience; that's a fail at customer service 101. When later boarding a bus filled to the maximum, (I got on before it filled), the operator again made no annoucements, no apologies, no friendly advice to make the trip go better. Instead, he would let people on the through the front door, who could not manage to get behind the white line, and would then attempt to kick them off. This went over really well, with even normally passive riders yelling and even swearing at the operator, noting they had spent 2.5 hours trying to get home and would he just (impolite way of saying be quiet, and drive).

At this point, heads need to roll. You can't have operators behaving this way, and you can't be doing such a terrible job of crisis management on top of the terrible job at being a reliable service provider.

****

Beyond the items I've stated above, its clear that more drivers and vehicles need to be available on stand-by; and at least a few need to be Artics. At least some station Managers, division managers, supervisors, CSAs and mechanics should be trained how to drive a bus so they can be seconded in an emergency. (so they have other jobs, they're not just sitting around, but can be seconded to drive as needed).
 
The TTC Board Agenda for next week has a HUGE listing of subway and streetcar closures and diversions planned for 2025. SEE https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/ttc/bgrd/backgroundfile-252236.pdf

For those interested in seeing TTC Board agendas - they are now (only) posted on the City's TMMIS site https://secure.toronto.ca/council/#/committees/2944/26568

Rogers requiring a full weekend closure on Line 1 three times and early weeknight closures 16 times for the mobile service upgrade, plus four full weekend closures on Line 2.

Who wants to put money on this work being well coordinated with other maintenance that requires closures, and that they won't shut it down a different weekend to do those jobs?
 
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Rogers requiring a full weekend closure on Line 1 three times and early weeknight closures 16 times for the mobile service upgrade, plus four full weekend closures on Line 2.

From the details at least some of these Rogers closures are for asbestos removal making coordination in that section extremely difficult. I can't imagine trying to weld rail while wearing a delicate Tyvek suit with respirator.
 
So, I was indirectly impacted by the huge, rush-hour foul up of Line 2.

I wasn't traveling within the subway shutdown area, but from the east to Broadview.

So, for the moment, lets set aside the specifics of what caused the delay.

The manner in which it was handled was again, embarrassing and problematic.

Items to consider in this regard.

1) Shuttle buses are always a challenge, and almost always inadequate to replace subway service, especially at rush hour. But a couple of brief observations had me seeing one single {non-artic) shuttle bus every 2M.
That replaces less than 1/10th the capacity of a single train. Profoundly inadequate, and this remained the case more than 2 hours in....

2) Police/transit, as per usual did nothing to prohibit parking on Danforth in key spots that would allow the bus operation to run more quickly, and to create a more efficient turnaround for the buses. I recognize how mean it would be to tow large numbers of drivers in the circumstance, but this should be a friendly tow to the nearest possible spots, at no cost.

3) The turnaround time for trains at Broadview is dreadful. It was so slow it caused trains to be stopped east of Coxwell due to 'traffic' in the tunnels ahead. This indicates a turn time greater than 4M, and I think it might be closer to 7M.
There is obviously something wrong with the way the signals and track are laid out for the gap track here. My observation was, that no train could head west of of Chester while a train was in motion on the gap track. Perhaps @smallspy can speak to the set up here, but there must be a better way to do this.

Edit to add, I wonder if it would be feasible to put a crossover on the viaduct? (Just a thought)

4) Subsequently, when service resumed, trains, of course, were jammed to the gills, and so were subsequent buses. The TTC operators I encountered made their own lives more difficult with apparent indifference to the plight of riders. On the train, there was a crew change at Coxwell, which went unannounced. At no time, did the operators apologize on behalf of the TTC or ask riders for their patience; that's a fail at customer service 101. When later boarding a bus filled to the maximum, (I got on before it filled), the operator again made no annoucements, no apologies, no friendly advice to make the trip go better. Instead, he would let people on the through the front door, who could not manage to get behind the white line, and would then attempt to kick them off. This went over really well, with even normally passive riders yelling and even swearing at the operator, noting they had spent 2.5 hours trying to get home and would he just (impolite way of saying be quiet, and drive).

At this point, heads need to roll. You can't have operators behaving this way, and you can't be doing such a terrible job of crisis management on top of the terrible job at being a reliable service provider.

****

Beyond the items I've stated above, its clear that more drivers and vehicles need to be available on stand-by; and at least a few need to be Artics. At least some station Managers, division managers, supervisors, CSAs and mechanics should be trained how to drive a bus so they can be seconded in an emergency. (so they have other jobs, they're not just sitting around, but can be seconded to drive as needed).
Unscheduled shuttle buses are never going to handle a peak subway outage. I suspect you'd be faster to walk from Broadview to St. George. It's only about a 40-minute walk, and certainly when I've done it on Bloor and you are overtaking the shuttle buses stuck in traffic.

Alternatively, take another route. 505 to Dundas TTC. Though starting at Broadview might be crowded. You could always walk down to Gerrard and take the 506; or backtrack to Pape and take the 72/506 - they'd still be useable; I'm surprised at how many riders don't try alternatives when the subway is down.
 
Unscheduled shuttle buses are never going to handle a peak subway outage. I suspect you'd be faster to walk from Broadview to St. George. It's only about a 40-minute walk, and certainly when I've done it on Bloor and you are overtaking the shuttle buses stuck in traffic.
Anytime this happened to me at Broadview I took a bikeshare from Broadview and went west with it. Know this isn't possible for everyone and bikeshares around stations can be empty but also a solution outside of walking.
 
Anytime this happened to me at Broadview I took a bikeshare from Broadview and went west with it. Know this isn't possible for everyone and bikeshares around stations can be empty but also a solution outside of walking.
Bike share is great, but there was a -20 wind chill at 5:00 this evening.

Our kid and his babysitter were caught out. She bought him a donut at the Tims at Broadview and Danforth and they took an Uber from Broadview to St. George. It took a while, but a better option than the shuttles, which weren't coming and there was a giant lineup for. It cost about $20, which I recognize is quite a few subway fares.

They got out of the Uber at St. George and took the subway to Dufferin. I'm not really sure why they did that, other than my son being totally against private vehicles and in favour of taking the subway. He must have pressured his babysitter.
 

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