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The TTC Board Agenda for next week has a HUGE listing of subway and streetcar closures and diversions planned for 2025. SEE https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/ttc/bgrd/backgroundfile-252236.pdf

For those interested in seeing TTC Board agendas - they are now (only) posted on the City's TMMIS site https://secure.toronto.ca/council/#/committees/2944/26568

Rogers requiring a full weekend closure on Line 1 three times and early weeknight closures 16 times for the mobile service upgrade, plus four full weekend closures on Line 2.

Who wants to put money on this work being well coordinated with other maintenance that requires closures, and that they won't shut it down a different weekend to do those jobs?
 
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Rogers requiring a full weekend closure on Line 1 three times and early weeknight closures 16 times for the mobile service upgrade, plus four full weekend closures on Line 2.

From the details at least some of these Rogers closures are for asbestos removal making coordination in that section extremely difficult. I can't imagine trying to weld rail while wearing a delicate Tyvek suit with respirator.
 
So, I was indirectly impacted by the huge, rush-hour foul up of Line 2.

I wasn't traveling within the subway shutdown area, but from the east to Broadview.

So, for the moment, lets set aside the specifics of what caused the delay.

The manner in which it was handled was again, embarrassing and problematic.

Items to consider in this regard.

1) Shuttle buses are always a challenge, and almost always inadequate to replace subway service, especially at rush hour. But a couple of brief observations had me seeing one single {non-artic) shuttle bus every 2M.
That replaces less than 1/10th the capacity of a single train. Profoundly inadequate, and this remained the case more than 2 hours in....

2) Police/transit, as per usual did nothing to prohibit parking on Danforth in key spots that would allow the bus operation to run more quickly, and to create a more efficient turnaround for the buses. I recognize how mean it would be to tow large numbers of drivers in the circumstance, but this should be a friendly tow to the nearest possible spots, at no cost.

3) The turnaround time for trains at Broadview is dreadful. It was so slow it caused trains to be stopped east of Coxwell due to 'traffic' in the tunnels ahead. This indicates a turn time greater than 4M, and I think it might be closer to 7M.
There is obviously something wrong with the way the signals and track are laid out for the gap track here. My observation was, that no train could head west of of Chester while a train was in motion on the gap track. Perhaps @smallspy can speak to the set up here, but there must be a better way to do this.

Edit to add, I wonder if it would be feasible to put a crossover on the viaduct? (Just a thought)

4) Subsequently, when service resumed, trains, of course, were jammed to the gills, and so were subsequent buses. The TTC operators I encountered made their own lives more difficult with apparent indifference to the plight of riders. On the train, there was a crew change at Coxwell, which went unannounced. At no time, did the operators apologize on behalf of the TTC or ask riders for their patience; that's a fail at customer service 101. When later boarding a bus filled to the maximum, (I got on before it filled), the operator again made no annoucements, no apologies, no friendly advice to make the trip go better. Instead, he would let people on the through the front door, who could not manage to get behind the white line, and would then attempt to kick them off. This went over really well, with even normally passive riders yelling and even swearing at the operator, noting they had spent 2.5 hours trying to get home and would he just (impolite way of saying be quiet, and drive).

At this point, heads need to roll. You can't have operators behaving this way, and you can't be doing such a terrible job of crisis management on top of the terrible job at being a reliable service provider.

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Beyond the items I've stated above, its clear that more drivers and vehicles need to be available on stand-by; and at least a few need to be Artics. At least some station Managers, division managers, supervisors, CSAs and mechanics should be trained how to drive a bus so they can be seconded in an emergency. (so they have other jobs, they're not just sitting around, but can be seconded to drive as needed).
Unscheduled shuttle buses are never going to handle a peak subway outage. I suspect you'd be faster to walk from Broadview to St. George. It's only about a 40-minute walk, and certainly when I've done it on Bloor and you are overtaking the shuttle buses stuck in traffic.

Alternatively, take another route. 505 to Dundas TTC. Though starting at Broadview might be crowded. You could always walk down to Gerrard and take the 506; or backtrack to Pape and take the 72/506 - they'd still be useable; I'm surprised at how many riders don't try alternatives when the subway is down.
 
Unscheduled shuttle buses are never going to handle a peak subway outage. I suspect you'd be faster to walk from Broadview to St. George. It's only about a 40-minute walk, and certainly when I've done it on Bloor and you are overtaking the shuttle buses stuck in traffic.
Anytime this happened to me at Broadview I took a bikeshare from Broadview and went west with it. Know this isn't possible for everyone and bikeshares around stations can be empty but also a solution outside of walking.
 
Anytime this happened to me at Broadview I took a bikeshare from Broadview and went west with it. Know this isn't possible for everyone and bikeshares around stations can be empty but also a solution outside of walking.
Bike share is great, but there was a -20 wind chill at 5:00 this evening.

Our kid and his babysitter were caught out. She bought him a donut at the Tims at Broadview and Danforth and they took an Uber from Broadview to St. George. It took a while, but a better option than the shuttles, which weren't coming and there was a giant lineup for. It cost about $20, which I recognize is quite a few subway fares.

They got out of the Uber at St. George and took the subway to Dufferin. I'm not really sure why they did that, other than my son being totally against private vehicles and in favour of taking the subway. He must have pressured his babysitter.
 
The TTC Board Agenda for next week has a HUGE listing of subway and streetcar closures and diversions planned for 2025. SEE https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/ttc/bgrd/backgroundfile-252236.pdf

For those interested in seeing TTC Board agendas - they are now (only) posted on the City's TMMIS site https://secure.toronto.ca/council/#/committees/2944/26568
This list is in line with previous years. It’s not consider huge anymore. The problem is they have become regular interruptions while getting less done than the Byford era. I don’t know what they need, perhaps just close a portion for a week and just get the slow zone done.

TTC says we will always have slow zone. Yup I accept that but I don’t accept that they can’t clear those zones within 2 weeks and requires multiple weekend closures to try to fix it. What are they doing? Applying one band aid fix at a time?
 
Unscheduled shuttle buses are never going to handle a peak subway outage. I suspect you'd be faster to walk from Broadview to St. George. It's only about a 40-minute walk, and certainly when I've done it on Bloor and you are overtaking the shuttle buses stuck in traffic.

I would note, I wasn't going west of Broadview, which I indicated in my post, and I didn't use the shuttle buses.

For those who were, however, walking in -20 conditions, at the end of a work day doesn't seem like a reasonable ask of many, nor can the sidewalks actually absorb that volume.

Yes, shuttle buses will always be inadequate, which again, I stated, but the gap between what was needed and delivered was unacceptably large, and the system can and should do better.
 
3) The turnaround time for trains at Broadview is dreadful. It was so slow it caused trains to be stopped east of Coxwell due to 'traffic' in the tunnels ahead. This indicates a turn time greater than 4M, and I think it might be closer to 7M.
There is obviously something wrong with the way the signals and track are laid out for the gap track here. My observation was, that no train could head west of of Chester while a train was in motion on the gap track. Perhaps @smallspy can speak to the set up here, but there must be a better way to do this.
The issue at Broadview is three-fold:
- One is the track layout involves a long stretch from the platforms at Broadview to the switch into the centre track. This means that each train occupies this stretch of single track for a while, limiting throughput.
- Two is that the type of switches to access the centre track was changed a couple of years ago to a type that limits the speed of trains using the diverging direction. This was done for maintenance and serviceability reasons - the new switches need far, far less maintenance - but at the expense of speed. And so those trains occupy that single track from above for even longer.
- Three is that the signal system in that location is not really properly set up for terminal operations. What is being done today wasn't even possible 20 years ago - they've made some changes to the signals in the last little while to make it more useful. But had it been set up properly for this kind of thing, trains could pull right up to the switch at the west end of the centre track, rather than sitting on the platform at Chester for the eastbound to make its way back through. That would require more circuitry, signal heads, trip arms and relays in order to make it work, and that costs money to install, operate and maintain. And for 99.999% of the time, it would be of no use.

Dan
 
The issue at Broadview is three-fold:
- One is the track layout involves a long stretch from the platforms at Broadview to the switch into the centre track. This means that each train occupies this stretch of single track for a while, limiting throughput.
- Two is that the type of switches to access the centre track was changed a couple of years ago to a type that limits the speed of trains using the diverging direction. This was done for maintenance and serviceability reasons - the new switches need far, far less maintenance - but at the expense of speed. And so those trains occupy that single track from above for even longer.
- Three is that the signal system in that location is not really properly set up for terminal operations. What is being done today wasn't even possible 20 years ago - they've made some changes to the signals in the last little while to make it more useful. But had it been set up properly for this kind of thing, trains could pull right up to the switch at the west end of the centre track, rather than sitting on the platform at Chester for the eastbound to make its way back through. That would require more circuitry, signal heads, trip arms and relays in order to make it work, and that costs money to install, operate and maintain. And for 99.999% of the time, it would be of no use.

Dan

Thanks for the insight Dan, much appreciated.

While I get the expense issue of maintaining something that's only for 'emergencies' (though with scheduled weekend closures may see use twice a month as-of-right) it strikes me as necessary given the absence of more and better turn-back locations. The very large gap between Broadview and Woodbine, and the fairly large, but also strategic gap between St. George and Broadview really ought to be serviced by at least one additional, and better turnback point (each). But even if feasible, I imagine the cost to add these, including tunnel alterations would be vastly more than some improvement at this existing location.
 
Steve Munro has posted an excellent article on how/why TTC service (for the customer) is far from being restored to pre-covid levels due to more congestion, longer trip times, more layover time and, of course, sloppy route management even if the number of hours or vehicles has increased. Well worth reading! https://stevemunro.ca/
 
Edit to add, I wonder if it would be feasible to put a crossover on the viaduct? (Just a thought)
There isn't really anywhere between Broadview and Castle Frank where such a thing would fit. The tracks below the viaduct are physically incongruent.

 
Thanks for the insight Dan, much appreciated.

While I get the expense issue of maintaining something that's only for 'emergencies' (though with scheduled weekend closures may see use twice a month as-of-right) it strikes me as necessary given the absence of more and better turn-back locations. The very large gap between Broadview and Woodbine, and the fairly large, but also strategic gap between St. George and Broadview really ought to be serviced by at least one additional, and better turnback point (each). But even if feasible, I imagine the cost to add these, including tunnel alterations would be vastly more than some improvement at this existing location.

There really is not much space. You have the wye junction at Greenwood/Donlands for Yard Access which precludes the addition of a centre track there.

The only other place which would make any sense is Pape but given how close it is to Chester I am not sure how useful it would be. A case could be made however for it given the crossovers at Vic Park, Warden, and Kennedy.
 
At this point, heads need to roll. You can't have operators behaving this way, and you can't be doing such a terrible job of crisis management on top of the terrible job at being a reliable service provider.
I am warming up to the concept that the TTC needs to be completely rebuilt on its management side.

It just feels extremely unresponsive and ossified as an organisation, and somehow helpless in addressing its challenges. It's not longer sufficient to have a 'good-enough' TTC, especially as even developing countries are starting to outpace us in terms of quality transit- we need to start asking why a wealth of issues small and large seem intractable to the TTC- missing ceiling/wall panels, broken info screens/next bus arrivals, inaudible speakers, poorly-run shuttle buses, slow zones, failing reliability, poor visual identity/wayfinding, etc..

Also of note- a much-needed new motion from Matlow:

TTC1.10 - Addressing Service Delays on the TTC - by Commissioner Josh Matlow, seconded by Chair Jamaal Myers​

Consideration Type: ACTION

Recommendations​

That the TTC Board requests Staff report to the Board in Q2 2025 with the following:

1. Findings from the UITP TTC maintenance review that shall also include a focus on the ATC signaling system to assess system performance and any root cause(s) of signal failures.

2. A review of communication protocols with riders during service interruptions, which includes:
  1. Auditing all PA systems to ensure that announcements are intelligible;
  2. Enhancing notices for the hearing impaired;
  3. Improving timeliness of service disruption and resumption notices in stations and shuttle bus stops directly to affected riders through increased TTC personnel complement or other means;
  4. Improving the way public notices of disruptions are communicated to riders through media; and
  5. Exploring the creation of a TTC app or partnering with an existing transit app provider that provides riders with relevant, real-time information.
3. In consultation with ATU 113, the potential for improving the efficiency of shuttle bus operations and more timely commencement of shuttle buses in response to service disruptions, including an assessment of how many buses are available to provide emergency shuttle buses at any given time and utilization rates of "Run As Directed" buses.

4. In consultation with the Division of Transportation Services, the feasibility and efficacy of providing options and redundancy for transit on surface routes, including priority lanes for surface transit.

5. Solutions to the unauthorized access to subway tracks.

Summary​

Service disruptions on our subways are becoming more and more frequent. The recent suspension of subway service during morning rush hour multiple days in a row has caused significant chaos for transit riders. Too many Torontonians have been late for work or school, stuck in trains underground or waiting too long for overcrowded shuttle buses.

The causes of these disruptions were varied, including a trespasser on the tracks on Monday, December 9th that interrupted service on Line 1 for an hour and a half, and signal issues that led to the entirety of Line 1 being shut down for an hour in the morning of Wednesday, December 11th.

Torontonians are deeply frustrated with the unreliability of TTC service caused by these service disruptions. We risk losing riders if they cannot count on the transit system to get them to work, school, or appointments on time. We must address this issue seriously to regain the trust of transit users.

This motion requests TTC Staff to:
  • Conduct an external review of signalling system maintenance.
  • Improve communication with riders during service disruptions.
  • Look at ways to make shuttle bus service start sooner after a disruption and ensure they run more efficiently.
  • Look at the feasibility of providing more options for transit riders so that if there are subway disruptions, other modes are available, including the potential of priority surface lanes on parallel routes.
 
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Noted an increased presence of non-artic buses on the 939 recently - has something gone wrong with the LFSAs that are usually assigned or just an allocation change?
 
Noted an increased presence of non-artic buses on the 939 recently - has something gone wrong with the LFSAs that are usually assigned or just an allocation change?
I can’t recall exactly why. I’d have to ask my friend again. But it has something to do with having to cross multiple railway tracks in an articulated bus. It really just seems like another over reaction safety rule that makes service worse.
 

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