[Undead]

People do this here as well.

Just don't ask if you'll ever be welcomed cohesively into Japanese society because unless you're Japanese the answer to that question is probably going to be "no". There are pros and cons to any society.

Yeah will till people here find out what that kind of society does to individuality, requirements of personal discipline and the attendant mental health/personal struggles.

Always eager to see the pros and blind to the cons aka the grass is greener on the other side.

 

[T3G]

Hopefully this is when you realize you were the problem all along.

I mean, the comment referred to light snacks like donuts and granola bars.

Not sure why I should have a problem with this. It's not like it endorsed eating full size pizzas or poutines on transit.

 

[Coolibop]

Well at least in my experience travelling in Japan (mostly in Tokyo) in urban areas all rail system have fare gates, including to leave the station. You actually can't leave without having valid fare. It's not POP at all. It's actually MORE controlled access compared to the TTC.

Japanese transit is also hodge podge of public and private companies and spaces. Could explain the fare gates everywhere....

 

[nfitz]

Wouldn't that make the TTC a rolling encampment, mental asylum and injection site where no sane, sober person would want to venture unless they had no choice? Everyone with means would just drive their cars, take their bicycle or walk. We need to work within the boundaries of the increasingly broken society Toronto has become - and offering free TTC access to its worst will just deter everyone else.

I suspect few are dumb or self-centred enough to be taking the subway downtown during daytime, given how inconvenient driving is from outside of downtown, and how phenomenally and increasingly expensive parking is.

Here's NYC's subway where fare and bylaw enforcement is ignored. Until we solve the triple crises of homelessness, mental illness and addiction, if we make the TTC free this is what we'll get.

People living in subway tunnels is a very different issue - and has been going on for a century or so in New York City.

Personally I've never observed anything like that in New York City.

I think you significantly overstate the issue.

Hopefully this is when you realize you were the problem all along.

Given there's no rules about eating food on the TTC, I don't see how one would be the issue.

 

[APTA-2048]

I think you significantly overstate the issue.

People make out the subway to be this kind hellscape where you’re gonna get killed as soon as you swipe your card. I went last year and most of the system was fine. Violent individuals exist, but they exist outside of the subway too.

Not to mention some of the things people seem to have a problem with aren’t even dangerous. A homeless person sleeping on a train or a person with a lot of belonging minding their own business are a minimal threat. A completely “normal” looking person could actually be someone with a violent temper and you wouldn’t know either.

 

[nfitz]

People make out the subway to be this kind hellscape where you’re gonna get killed as soon as you swipe your card. I went last year and most of the system was fine. Violent individuals exist, but they exist outside of the subway too.

It's still a lot safer than driving your car. Or walking down the street. I really don't understand the paranoia myself; it seems to be all old men shouting at clouds to me.

 

[Northern Light]

I mean, the comment referred to light snacks like donuts and granola bars.

Not sure why I should have a problem with this. It's not like it endorsed eating full size pizzas or poutines on transit.

Just for clarity............... how do you feel about French Toast?

Source: https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/arti...firms-it-was-behind-the-ttc-french-toast-guy/

 

[T3G]

People make out the subway to be this kind hellscape where you’re gonna get killed as soon as you swipe your card. I went last year and most of the system was fine. Violent individuals exist, but they exist outside of the subway too.

I've been to New York three times in the last 3 years, which added up a total of 13 days spent in the city, all of those spent making extensive use of the subway.

My main takeaway from those experiences was that I felt considerably safer on the NYC subway than I have on the TTC, which in itself is usually fine. I saw much less homeless people city-wide than I have in Toronto. I went all over the place, downtown and outer boroughs, including a ride on the Franklin Shuttle which runs through Crown Heights, which appears to be commonly thought of as a disreputable neighbourhood... nothing. Only once did I encounter a sketchy person, a crackhead who lunged at me on a deserted overpass at Chambers Street station. And the same thing has happened to me in Prague and Bratislava, both of which are safer cities than NYC and Toronto, so it's hard to have any kind of takeaway about the overall state of the system from that. I don't know where people are seeing these scenes of Armageddon.

Just for clarity............... how do you feel about French Toast?


Source: https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/arti...firms-it-was-behind-the-ttc-french-toast-guy/

I plead the 5th.

 

[Admiral Beez]

People make out the subway to be this kind hellscape where you’re gonna get killed as soon as you swipe your card.

You swiped your card? From my observation I'd say only about half of those on the streetcars do. Steve Munro has it at 30%.

 

[T3G]

The card swiping refers to NYC, which still has Metrocards (or, at least it did last year - not sure how its phasing out is going).

Also, that chart is saying that 29% of streetcar passengers evade fares, not that 29% of them pay.

 

[DSCToronto]

I think you significantly overstate the issue.

The Admiral is wont to do so - on many and varied topics, :->

 

[gabe]

I mean, the comment referred to light snacks like donuts and granola bars.

Not sure why I should have a problem with this. It's not like it endorsed eating full size pizzas or poutines on transit.

Yes, a snack is fine, but if you need utensils to eat, that's a meal and shouldn't be consumed on public transit. It's a transit service, not a public dining room.

 

[Admiral Beez]

The Admiral is wont to do so - on many and varied topics, :->

Guilty as charged, but it’s often because I’ve seen our city and country do better, or have experience best/better practices/outcomes elsewhere and feel frustration that we can't do the same here. In the case of the TTC I’ve been traveling on the system since the early 1980s, and remember when fare evasion and public nuisance were not as prevalent. I’ve also traveled globally and seen transit systems in countries with similar GDP offering much better transit.

 

[Mihairokov]

Yes, a snack is fine, but if you need utensils to eat, that's a meal and shouldn't be consumed on public transit. It's a transit service, not a public dining room.

There's a reason why train stations serve patties and cups of coffee and not entrees.

 

[Northern Light]

There's a reason why train stations serve patties and cups of coffee and not entrees.

We'll set aside for a moment the dearth of TTC (and GO) stations where one can find any coffee at all, let alone a good one..............

But just for fun............. I'll point out that you can indeed order entrees in some subway stations (around the world)

The Michelin Star Restaurant in an NYC Subway Station

âNÅksu is located underneath the 32nd Street subway station which is unconventional for a typical fine dining restaurant.â Bon Appétit spends a day on the line with Jing Wen Ng, Chef de cuisine at NÅksu in New York City. Located in the subway, no gas stoves or open fires are allowed, so chefs...

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