nfitz
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It's still a lot safer than driving your car. Or walking down the street. I really don't understand the paranoia myself; it seems to be all old men shouting at clouds to me.
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Northern Light
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Just for clarity............... how do you feel about French Toast?
Source: https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/arti...firms-it-was-behind-the-ttc-french-toast-guy/
T3G
Senior Member
I've been to New York three times in the last 3 years, which added up a total of 13 days spent in the city, all of those spent making extensive use of the subway.
My main takeaway from those experiences was that I felt considerably safer on the NYC subway than I have on the TTC, which in itself is usually fine. I saw much less homeless people city-wide than I have in Toronto. I went all over the place, downtown and outer boroughs, including a ride on the Franklin Shuttle which runs through Crown Heights, which appears to be commonly thought of as a disreputable neighbourhood... nothing. Only once did I encounter a sketchy person, a crackhead who lunged at me on a deserted overpass at Chambers Street station. And the same thing has happened to me in Prague and Bratislava, both of which are safer cities than NYC and Toronto, so it's hard to have any kind of takeaway about the overall state of the system from that. I don't know where people are seeing these scenes of Armageddon.
Just for clarity............... how do you feel about French Toast?
Source: https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/arti...firms-it-was-behind-the-ttc-french-toast-guy/
I plead the 5th.
Admiral Beez
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You swiped your card? From my observation I'd say only about half of those on the streetcars do. Steve Munro has it at 30%.
T3G
Senior Member
The card swiping refers to NYC, which still has Metrocards (or, at least it did last year - not sure how its phasing out is going).
Also, that chart is saying that 29% of streetcar passengers evade fares, not that 29% of them pay.
Also, that chart is saying that 29% of streetcar passengers evade fares, not that 29% of them pay.
DSCToronto
Superstar
The Admiral is wont to do so - on many and varied topics, :->
gabe
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Admiral Beez
Superstar
Guilty as charged, but it’s often because I’ve seen our city and country do better, or have experience best/better practices/outcomes elsewhere and feel frustration that we can't do the same here. In the case of the TTC I’ve been traveling on the system since the early 1980s, and remember when fare evasion and public nuisance were not as prevalent. I’ve also traveled globally and seen transit systems in countries with similar GDP offering much better transit.
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Mihairokov
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There's a reason why train stations serve patties and cups of coffee and not entrees.
Northern Light
Superstar
We'll set aside for a moment the dearth of TTC (and GO) stations where one can find any coffee at all, let alone a good one..............
But just for fun............. I'll point out that you can indeed order entrees in some subway stations (around the world)
The Michelin Star Restaurant in an NYC Subway Station
“NÅksu is located underneath the 32nd Street subway station which is unconventional for a typical fine dining restaurant.†Bon Appétit spends a day on the line with Jing Wen Ng, Chef de cuisine at NÅksu in New York City. Located in the subway, no gas stoves or open fires are allowed, so...
Mihairokov
Senior Member
Oh, I know there are full-on restaurants in stations, but forgive me if I was imagining Warden Station with my comment and not Union Station.
Northern Light
Superstar
Of course...........that's why I said 'for fun'.
Though.....the link I posted is certainly not Grand Central.....
I'll extract a few pics to show the path to entry:
T3G
Senior Member
Off topic, but if someone tries to go to a 32nd Street station they may find themselves disappointed.We'll set aside for a moment the dearth of TTC (and GO) stations where one can find any coffee at all, let alone a good one..............
But just for fun............. I'll point out that you can indeed order entrees in some subway stations (around the world)
The Michelin Star Restaurant in an NYC Subway Station
“NÅksu is located underneath the 32nd Street subway station which is unconventional for a typical fine dining restaurant.†Bon Appétit spends a day on the line with Jing Wen Ng, Chef de cuisine at NÅksu in New York City. Located in the subway, no gas stoves or open fires are allowed, so...www.bonappetit.com
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Rather a crucial oversight for a magazine trying to promo the restaurant, I reckon.
According to Google Maps there is only one such restaurant called this and it is located in the proximity of the 34th Street - Herald Square station on the BDFM NQRW, and the 33rd Street station of the PATH.
evandyk
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ShonTron
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You swiped your card? From my observation I'd say only about half of those on the streetcars do. Steve Munro has it at 30%.
On streetcars, it’s very tempting to pass the Presto machines without tapping if you see others on board who haven’t paid either.
I imagine most people entering the subway without paying do so through the bus driveways such as at St. George or Wellesley. It’s much more difficult (though not impossible) to avoid paying at the gates – but easy to tap with a senior or child fare.