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You only have to apply a tiny amount of social pressure to people to get them to comply. Even walking by the driver on a bus raises the tap rate compared to all-door boarding on a streetcar. And seeing other people not tap raises the license for sure.
 
I imagine most people entering the subway without paying do so through the bus driveways such as at St. George or Wellesley. It’s much more difficult (though not impossible) to avoid paying at the gates – but easy to tap with a senior or child fare.

Prior to closure, this used to be a huge issue at Warden with people walking in off the streets.

High Park has it right in my opinion. You need to pay a fare or have a transfer when going between buses and subways at that station.
 
Prior to closure, this used to be a huge issue at Warden with people walking in off the streets.

High Park has it right in my opinion. You need to pay a fare or have a transfer when going between buses and subways at that station.

That's because the bus platform is outside of the Paid Area.

It would make no sense to require transfers when boarding inside a paid area.

In any event, transfers will soon be a thing of the past.
 
It would prevent fare evasion via the bus bays.

No it wouldn't.

Because you have all-door boarding at stations, and so people can board without showing the transfer or tapping.

To do away with all-door boarding at stations would cost tens of millions in terms of congestion and delays for buses requiring vastly more operators. It would also lengthen trips and annoy paying riders.

Fare enforcement is what's required. That means proof-of-payment. Which for now, can include a transfer, but in the future it will be Presto, your Debit/Credit/Apple Pay etc. or physical presto ticket.
 
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I think you are technically supposed to tap again when boarding a new vehicle within the fair paid area? I thought that was the rule, though obviously nobody does it (including me).
They were saying that when tap initially started, but they seem to have come to their senses and haven't been saying that very loudly lately.

If you look at https://www.ttc.ca/Fares-and-passes/PRESTO-on-the-TTC it now says:

You must tap your card every time you enter a station and when you board a vehicle on the street, even if you have a monthly pass on your card. Your tapped PRESTO card is your Proof-of-Payment
 
On the 504, which I ride daily, it's more than 70% who pay. But I don't doubt that the figure is accurate over all the streetcar lines. There is not nearly enough visible fare enforcement.
It really depends on the time of the day. Evenings and beyond is usually the time where most fare evasion happens shown by TTC reports. Those going to work are more likely going to pay than those hanging around at night.

Who knows what happened on the night cars.
 
You only have to apply a tiny amount of social pressure to people to get them to comply. Even walking by the driver on a bus raises the tap rate compared to all-door boarding on a streetcar. And seeing other people not tap raises the license for sure.
It definitely makes me feel the naive rube for tapping when those getting on around me do not. It's especially galling when scofflaws are impatient to get onboard behind me if I fumble while tapping.
 
They were saying that when tap initially started, but they seem to have come to their senses and haven't been saying that very loudly lately.

If you look at https://www.ttc.ca/Fares-and-passes/PRESTO-on-the-TTC it now says:

You must tap your card every time you enter a station and when you board a vehicle on the street, even if you have a monthly pass on your card. Your tapped PRESTO card is your Proof-of-Payment
Does tapping when transferring extend the 2 hour free return trip window? If so that would encourage more to tap.
 
I don't think it does. You can do any number of boardings within 2 hours of the first tap. But tap something 2:01 after, and you'll be charged again, no matter what you've done in those 2 hours.
 
Interesting, I think eating food on the TTC subway can be quite an efficient use of time instead of using a dining room.

No utensils generally makes sense. Burritos, schwarma, burgers. Though I've eaten a poutine on a subway back at night.
 
Does tapping when transferring extend the 2 hour free return trip window? If so that would encourage more to tap.
No. Which can be annoying when your final streetcar gets short-turned at the 1 hour 55 minute mark (or even 2 hours 15 if you've already been on for 30 minutes or so).

But with all this fuss - I really don't see anywhere near 30% - or even 10% failing a fare inspection mid-route on a streetcar. The last one I saw fail was a homeless person. I seldom see more than one a car.

So I am a bit puzzled at this 30% stat.
 
No utensils generally makes sense. Burritos, schwarma, burgers. Though I've eaten a poutine on a subway back at night.
I'm going to make a lot less of a mess with poutine and a fork than I am with burritos and burgers. A Big Mac leaves lettuce everywhere (for me at least).
 
Does tapping when transferring extend the 2 hour free return trip window? If so that would encourage more to tap.

No it does not.

However, tapping at a GO Station (like Union) near the end of your 2-hour TTC window restarts the clock at 3 hours.

* do remember you must tap off at a different GO station to register the GO trip. Also this does increase your minimum fare to the GO base fare, which is higher than TTC, but only a little.

Tapping at a TTC only station may not accurately reflect your trip length and charge.
 
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