[kaptrice]

I am visiting Boston. I noticed that within the same ROW, some of their RT runs along side the Commuter rail. Specifically the Red, Orange and Green lines. Is this something that could be done in the GTA with any success? Which ROW would it not work? Could those parts be decked to allow for it?

Yes, it can be done, which is why it is being done with the Ontario Line and YNSE, and has been done on the west end of the B-D.
Widening is a highly preferential over decking.

 

[Islington Express Bus]

Don't forget the Scarborough RT!

 

[micheal_can]

If the focus for the next round of subway expansion was just along existing rail corridors in Toronto, with stations spaced 1-2km away and at all GO stations as well, would that be a good plan? Is that basically Smartrack?

 

[WB62]

If the focus for the next round of subway expansion was just along existing rail corridors in Toronto, with stations spaced 1-2km away and at all GO stations as well, would that be a good plan? Is that basically Smartrack?

Why run subways along those corridors? Why not expand the GO service that already runs there…

The obsession Toronto transit enthusiasts have with running subways along GO lines to places GO already serves or could serve always shocks me.

 

[micheal_can]

Why run subways along those corridors? Why not expand the GO service that already run there…

The obsession Toronto transit enthusiasts have with running subways along GO lines to places GO already serves or could serve always shocks me.

In a word - Frequency. Take a GO train, what is the most frequent it could get stopping every 2km. Now, take a subway and do the same thing. As I understand it, the subway will always be able to be run more frequent. Could a GO train really get to 90s frequency?

 

[JSF-1]

In a word - Frequency. Take a GO train, what is the most frequent it could get stopping every 2km. Now, take a subway and do the same thing. As I understand it, the subway will always be able to be run more frequent. Could a GO train really get to 90s frequency?

As the GO Train currently is? No. 90s frequency would require EMU's and an ATC signalling system. The latter of these requirements would either require convincing CN/CP and VIA to install ATC on their trains or permanently kicking them off the line. The other option would be to construct a new GO ROW separate from the main line and at that point we are just building GO ALRT.

 

[micheal_can]

As the GO Train currently is? No. 90s frequency would require EMU's and an ATC signalling system. The latter of these requirements would either require convincing CN/CP and VIA to install ATC on their trains or permanently kicking them off the line. The other option would be to construct a new GO ROW separate from the main line and at that point we are just building GO ALRT.

Which is why dropping subway lines may be the better option. CN/CPKC can still operate as they want to, GO can still exist as it is, and we have a subway frequency along those routes with more stops. A lot of the old plans for transit are not that bad. They all would have helped move people better.

 

[rbt]

As the GO Train currently is? No. 90s frequency would require EMU's and an ATC signalling system. The latter of these requirements would either require convincing CN/CP and VIA to install ATC on their trains or permanently kicking them off the line. The other option would be to construct a new GO ROW separate from the main line and at that point we are just building GO ALRT.

Worth noting, TTC subways don't reliably achieve 90 second frequencies either. Track geometry and passenger behaviour (station dwell) restricts capacity.

GO would struggle to get 90 second frequencies through Union even if everything else (including platform width) was setup for it: some nitwit would hold the door.

 

[WB62]

Take a GO train, what is the most frequent it could get stopping every 2km.

3.5 minutes is near the upper limit the corridors can allow after all the OnCorr stuff is completed, very close or spot on with current subway service.

 

[micheal_can]

3.5 minutes is near the upper limit the corridors can allow after all the OnCorr stuff is completed, very close or spot on with current subway service.

That is with existing stops,right? What if more were added? Let's assume a stop every 2km. What does that do to that number?

 

[WB62]

That is with existing stops,right? What if more were added? Let's assume a stop every 2km. What does that do to that number?

Idk what you’re asking, more stops doesn’t mean less trains can run lol

 

[micheal_can]

Idk what you’re asking, more stops doesn’t mean less trains can run lol

Subway stops are closer than the existing GO stations. My question is whether the existing GO trains can start and stop quick enough to allow for subway frequency.

 

[EnviroTO]

My Transit Fantasy Map heavily based on a transit reality, under construction, and under study map: GTA Transit 2050 Plan

 

[urbancog]

@EnviroTO, instead of a map this appears:

 

[TwoWheelPoli]

@EnviroTO, instead of a map this appears:

View attachment 654637

Works fine for me.