AlvinofDiaspar said:
And they reclad the roof above the Great Hall during the last round of renovation (though if I recall correctly, all they did was laying blueskin over the existing copper roof and then putting new copper on top). Like how?

AoD
Click to expand...

Let me preface the following by saying I did not see the last roof re-do in person, up close.. so I'm merely speculating.

Blueskin (or any other vapour-lock seal) can lead to condensation build-up due to improper ventilation.

That's the most common reason I've heard for the product's water-tightness failing. But I have no idea if that is the case here.
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
And they reclad the roof above the Great Hall during the last round of renovation (though if I recall correctly, all they did was laying blueskin over the existing copper roof and then putting new copper on top). Like how?

AoD
Click to expand...
If I remember right, there was a major water event with the Great Hall ceiling after heavy rain not long after it was cleaned.
 
Last edited:
Something finishing and proceeding to be damaged or flooded by water has happened how many times now..?
 
Northern Light said:
Let me preface the following by saying I did not see the last roof re-do in person, up close.. so I'm merely speculating.

Blueskin (or any other vapour-lock seal) can lead to condensation build-up due to improper ventilation.

That's the most common reason I've heard for the product's water-tightness failing. But I have no idea if that is the case here.
Click to expand...

There were photos of it on UT from that time (not sure if they are still around on this thread).

Ah ha - there were:

Union Station Revitalization | ?m | ?s | City of Toronto | NORR

They are changing the two-way to one-way section as we speak. Should be one-way by tomorrow morning (Monday at the latest).
urbantoronto.ca urbantoronto.ca

Union Station Revitalization | ?m | ?s | City of Toronto | NORR

They are indeed working on the copper roof, as best they can with the weather. I think they have to have a pretty dry environment to do their work. Without going back too far, I have a few pictures from the L Tower. January 2nd December 14th December 9th December 7th
urbantoronto.ca urbantoronto.ca

AoD
 
Last edited:
AlvinofDiaspar said:
There were photos of it on UT from that time (not sure if they are still around on this thread).

Ah ha - there were:

Union Station Revitalization | ?m | ?s | City of Toronto | NORR

They are changing the two-way to one-way section as we speak. Should be one-way by tomorrow morning (Monday at the latest).
urbantoronto.ca urbantoronto.ca

Union Station Revitalization | ?m | ?s | City of Toronto | NORR

They are indeed working on the copper roof, as best they can with the weather. I think they have to have a pretty dry environment to do their work. Without going back too far, I have a few pictures from the L Tower. January 2nd December 14th December 9th December 7th
urbantoronto.ca urbantoronto.ca

AoD
Click to expand...

Good memory, excellent pics. However, non-revelatory.

The condensation, if that's what it is.........and with relatively new blueskin and copper, I think that's likely the case......it will be building up on the underside of roof and over the limestone in the great hall ceiling.

The question mark is how is that space ventilated?

So if you think of it this way........Union Station (like any building has air in it that is warm and contains moisture). That air rises and the moisture seeks an outlet to drier air.

IF that warm moist air has no escape from the building, or hits a cold, exterior-facing surface before it can escape..........it condenses on that surface.........and then, being water, it responds to gravity and pools and drips down.

I don't know for sure that that is what's happening here, and someone with more experience building might be better suited to give a guess.......... but that's what I'm thinking.
 
For many years, I have been emailing the City Staff responsible for Union Station about the various unfinished aspects of the work there. I am happy to report that two of them, Great Hall Lighting and the long-promised Walks a& Gardens artwork are supposed to be done in the fairly near future!

"The Great Hall lighting program is well underway with our Project Management Office (PMO) staff. PMO staff are finalizing details and will put the package out to tender soon for the manufacturing and installation of the chandelier and cove lighting program. Given the complexity of the project, I anticipate the lighting will be installed in 2026-2027.

With respect to the Walks and Gardens Trust art project entitled “Flux” by the Belgium firm Lab[au], it’s scheduled to be completed in Union Station’s West Moat, TD Carriageway space by November 2025."

Yes, there are a few other things - e.g. the Great Hall floor repairs - that need attention and I will continue to follow up on them in future but time now to celebrate (or, at least prepare to celebrate)!
 
Northern Light said:
Thank you for all your work on this file ^^^ @DSCToronto

I'm convinced the City would have deferred the work to the 2050s but for continued diligence.
Click to expand...
It is worth remembering that the Great Hall lighting was put out to tender several years ago but the tender call was then cancelled - presumably because bids were too high. The City staff involved DO seem keen to get things 'finished'' but 'it's not over until the fat lady sings' and she is just putting on her make-up!
 
DSCToronto said:
For many years, I have been emailing the City Staff responsible for Union Station about the various unfinished aspects of the work there. I am happy to report that two of them, Great Hall Lighting and the long-promised Walks a& Gardens artwork are supposed to be done in the fairly near future!

"The Great Hall lighting program is well underway with our Project Management Office (PMO) staff. PMO staff are finalizing details and will put the package out to tender soon for the manufacturing and installation of the chandelier and cove lighting program. Given the complexity of the project, I anticipate the lighting will be installed in 2026-2027.

With respect to the Walks and Gardens Trust art project entitled “Flux” by the Belgium firm Lab[au], it’s scheduled to be completed in Union Station’s West Moat, TD Carriageway space by November 2025."

Yes, there are a few other things - e.g. the Great Hall floor repairs - that need attention and I will continue to follow up on them in future but time now to celebrate (or, at least prepare to celebrate)!
Click to expand...

Being the City of Toronto, I am still guarded about these projects - recall Arc en Ciel at Yorkdale?

AoD
 
DSCToronto said:
Yes, there are a few other things - e.g. the Great Hall floor repairs - that need attention and I will continue to follow up on them in future but time now to celebrate (or, at least prepare to celebrate)!
Click to expand...

I tripped on a sunken tile in the Great Hall and landed on my wrist. Anybody know a lawyer with free time? Not that I want money, I want the city to pay attention to this important landmark and hurry up with completing the renovations. It's embarrassing that this is our first impression to people coming to our city.

Toronto is run by bureaucrats, lawyers and insurance analysts constantly performing risk assessments on the smallest things — see the years long jersey barriers that didn't actually protect commuters walking in droves to Union Station, it only put a checkmark in a risk minimization checkbox for a city owned asset. A lawsuit would perk them up. Then again, they might just suddenly close Union Station for 7 years rather than fix the floor tiles. 😅
 
nightstreak said:
I tripped on a sunken tile in the Great Hall and landed on my wrist. Anybody know a lawyer with free time? Not that I want money, I want the city to pay attention to this important landmark and hurry up with completing the renovations. It's embarrassing that this is our first impression to people coming to our city.

Toronto is run by bureaucrats, lawyers and insurance analysts constantly performing risk assessments on the smallest things — see the years long jersey barriers that didn't actually protect commuters walking in droves to Union Station, it only put a checkmark in a risk minimization checkbox for a city owned asset. A lawsuit would perk them up. Then again, they might just suddenly close Union Station for 7 years rather than fix the floor tiles. 😅
Click to expand...

They will just fill it with asphalt, or wrap that spot with an abundance of caution tape. /s

AoD
 
nightstreak said:
I tripped on a sunken tile in the Great Hall and landed on my wrist. Anybody know a lawyer with free time? Not that I want money, I want the city to pay attention to this important landmark and hurry up with completing the renovations. It's embarrassing that this is our first impression to people coming to our city.

Toronto is run by bureaucrats, lawyers and insurance analysts constantly performing risk assessments on the smallest things — see the years long jersey barriers that didn't actually protect commuters walking in droves to Union Station, it only put a checkmark in a risk minimization checkbox for a city owned asset. A lawsuit would perk them up. Then again, they might just suddenly close Union Station for 7 years rather than fix the floor tiles. 😅
Click to expand...
Yeah, no. Some of the stupid shit we have to deal with on the TTC is due to litigation.
 
  • Like
Reactions: T3G
You must log in or register to post here.

Back
Top