Oak View is patterning much of this on what they did with Baltimore (I.e. a $250 million-plus music-first reno) and they kept the very crappy (but not quite as crappy as Hamilton's) scoreboard there.
We already know that these renovations are geared towards concert acts but things like this make me feel even more-so than before that the plan is to disregard sports tenants almost entirely. NLL isn't a lot of dates on the calendar but they would certainly take up valuable weekend time through the winter months...
 
I guess the math just isn't in the favour of minor-league sports. Concerts can probably pay a much, much higher rental fee.

The ticket revenue generated by something like an OHL team would be something like: $35 a ticket x 3500 people = just over $100,000.

The Rock (who are slated to be back) might be something like $50 per ticket x 8000 people = $400,000.

The ticket revenue for a big-name concert would be something like $200 per ticket x 15,000 people = $3 million.

I am not sure exactly how accurate the numbers above are, but the contrast is pretty stark no matter what you assume.
 
It's disappointing, and a bit odd. For all of OVGs talk of NYC and LA having 5 arenas of this size and the GHTA only having 2, you'd think they'd want 2 of 2 to be done up properly.

I guess it's because there's little hope of a major tenant, thanks stupid leafs and Sabres!
 
A new scoreboard might still happen. An NHL team has never felt farther away.
Sadly I agree, and I've been one of the biggest optimists on that front for a while.

I was coming around on the idea that maybe we could be the best minor league city/arena with the Bulldogs, Honey Badgers, Rock and maybe PWHL or 3 on hockey. But even that's out the door.

Betteman will be retiring soon, and eventually the NHL might realize they're never going to be huge in the USA and it's best to go to markets where hockey is popular. Liewecke is a big enough player, maybe down the road he finds an opportunity, even getting the Sabres to play a handful of games here every year like Bill's in Toronto would work.
 
Sadly I agree, and I've been one of the biggest optimists on that front for a while.

I was coming around on the idea that maybe we could be the best minor league city/arena with the Bulldogs, Honey Badgers, Rock and maybe PWHL or 3 on hockey. But even that's out the door.

Betteman will be retiring soon, and eventually the NHL might realize they're never going to be huge in the USA and it's best to go to markets where hockey is popular. Liewecke is a big enough player, maybe down the road he finds an opportunity, even getting the Sabres to play a handful of games here every year like Bill's in Toronto would work.
NHL valuations are nutso lately, so the price tag would be huge. We would need a group/owner with very deep pockets.

While the arena reno is super exciting, I think it will still not quite meet NHL standards (still an old building, relatively small square footage, only twenty or so suites).

The Sabres are nearby. The Leafs are nearby.

The Canadian dollar is not looking super hot.

There are a bunch of big US cities with no team.

Within Canada, Quebec City also checks a bunch of boxes.
 
The NHL won't be expanding to Canada any time soon. Low dollar and better markets with higher ceilings south of us. Hamilton only makes sense if the Sabres are relocating and that won't be happening, either.
 
... An NHL team has never felt farther away.
I think the only time (at least since there apparently was one there in the 1920s) that it seemed somewhat possible was the 1990 NHL expansion that eventually went to Ottawa and Tampa Bay, when the prospective Hamilton owners couldn't come up with all of the $50 million fee the NHL was demanding. I think some time later, stories emerged that the Ottawa ownership had fudged their ability to pay the amount, or perhaps never actually did, and in hindsight were likely much less deserving than the Hamilton owners of getting to buy into the league.
https://web.archive.org/web/2009052...eandmail.com/news/national/article1140980.ece
The best chance for Hamilton to gain entry into the NHL came in 1991, when Ron Joyce (of Tim Hortons fame) backed an expansion bid. He sought to pay the $50-million expansion fee in instalments rather than in one chunk, and the NHL chose to put teams in Ottawa and Tampa instead.
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/loca...-grew-up-flamed-out-and-finally-found-success
Firestone had neither an arena secured, nor stacks of money when the NHL handed him the keys to a new franchise. His firm, Terrace Investments, had about $22 million in cash and equivalents...
The club’s shaky foundations, rebuilt during a 2003 bankruptcy proceeding...
 
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NHL popularity is shooting up a bit in the US. Lots of growth opportunities down there now so i expect they'll be focused down there. Plus paying everyone in USD while collecting CAD revenue is a major hurdle.
 
Apparently the NHL is still a gate heavy leauge, Betteman himself said 2 weeks ago 25% of league revenue comes from Canada. The NHL tends to inflate it's success. The NHL is still far far behind NFL, MLB, NBA, NCAA, NASCAR and I'm sure plenty of other things like UFC, golf and soccer. Maybe the new political environment might finally convince enough Canadiens to boycott the NHL or start or own league.
 
The way the USA is becoming an enemy state to not just Canada but the rest of the world our Canadian NHL teams may have to have their own league. I know 2 months ago this would have sounded completely bonkers but everything in happening in the USA is beyond bonkers so anything is possible now. If we went with our own national league Hamilton could very well be a contender for an expansion so would Quebec City, Halifax and probably more.
 
Also something new, I see the media gondola is still up. Along with the video board, I was looking forward to that being removed/replaced, or at the very least, being repainted something other then orange.

I agree. If they're keeping it, then they need to give it another colour. A darker blue or black would be good, but essentially - get rid of the orange to break away from the past... plus it will probably clash with the new aesthetics of the of interior.
 
NHL valuations are nutso lately, so the price tag would be huge. We would need a group/owner with very deep pockets.

While the arena reno is super exciting, I think it will still not quite meet NHL standards (still an old building, relatively small square footage, only twenty or so suites).

The Sabres are nearby. The Leafs are nearby.

The Canadian dollar is not looking super hot.

There are a bunch of big US cities with no team.

Within Canada, Quebec City also checks a bunch of boxes.
Hamilton checks more boxes than Quebec City does. Household incomes are higher, the media market/catchment area has way more people, and more large corporations are headquartered nearby. Hamilton is better equipped to be the next Canadian NHL market and would be much more resistant to downturn.

However, last 2 months have absolutely thrown the prospect of any more teams in Canada down the toilet. Tariff conflicts are going to cause real economic pain which is bad for gate-driven leagues like the NHL. US markets are also way bigger, way stronger economically, and will suffer less than we will. League executives and owners have also recently highlighted that they have concerns for Canadian markets under a trade war recession. As much as it pains me to say, serious US candidates like Houston, Atlanta, San Diego, Austin, Portland, and Sacramento, in addition to potential dark horse candidates like Phoenix (lol), Orlando, San Antonio, Cincinnati, and Cleveland, all could likely present a much better business case than Hamilton or Quebec City.

The Hamilton arena, even with upgrades, won’t meet NHL standards. The upgrades will certainly get it to a better place that would require less investment later down the line if OVG wanted to make it NHL ready, but it is ultimately additional investment that would have to be made.
 
The way the USA is becoming an enemy state to not just Canada but the rest of the world our Canadian NHL teams may have to have their own league. I know 2 months ago this would have sounded completely bonkers but everything in happening in the USA is beyond bonkers so anything is possible now. If we went with our own national league Hamilton could very well be a contender for an expansion so would Quebec City, Halifax and probably more.
This will never happen. The NHL would either fold the teams or move them south.

Try convincing McDavid that his contract is now worth half what it was in the NHL and it's now in CAD and instead of visiting LA and Vegas every other weekend his away trips are to Winnipeg and Saskatoon. Canadian pro league idea is DOA because the players would simply play in the NHL instead.
 
Hamilton checks more boxes than Quebec City does. Household incomes are higher, the media market/catchment area has way more people, and more large corporations are headquartered nearby. Hamilton is better equipped to be the next Canadian NHL market and would be much more resistant to downturn.

However, last 2 months have absolutely thrown the prospect of any more teams in Canada down the toilet. Tariff conflicts are going to cause real economic pain which is bad for gate-driven leagues like the NHL. US markets are also way bigger, way stronger economically, and will suffer less than we will. League executives and owners have also recently highlighted that they have concerns for Canadian markets under a trade war recession. As much as it pains me to say, serious US candidates like Houston, Atlanta, San Diego, Austin, Portland, and Sacramento, in addition to potential dark horse candidates like Phoenix (lol), Orlando, San Antonio, Cincinnati, and Cleveland, all could likely present a much better business case than Hamilton or Quebec City.

The Hamilton arena, even with upgrades, won’t meet NHL standards. The upgrades will certainly get it to a better place that would require less investment later down the line if OVG wanted to make it NHL ready, but it is ultimately additional investment that would have to be made.
Yes I agree, an opportunity down the road would require a second renovation, or more then likely an entirely new arena while Copps stays an only music venue much like the Fourm in LA.

No new Canadian teams right now, no, heck the NHL might lose a few. Perfect opportunity to start up a Canadian pro league! Things are so chaotic, maybe in a few years it'll be the NHL that goes out of business. And then Hamilton will won't allow Toronto into the new Canadian Professional Hockey League *chefs kiss*
 

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