generalcanada said:
Bro, Theres only 1 reason why nightstreak used that image, its because he couldnt be bothered to scroll more than the the 1st row of the google image search to "prove his point"
I could also do the same with an image in the winter of Ontario Place. proves the exact opposite
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Sheesh… You made up a whole back story behind my “1 reason”. Respectfully, I’m not responsible for:

1. Your inability to understand context which in my post connects replacing the trees in the West Island to the purpose of sharing a photo of said trees.

2. Your paranoia and/or seeking conflict.

3. Your inability to express yourself beyond that of Toronto Sun reader.

They are in order of appearance, your grade school teacher, your therapist and (again) your grade school teacher.

I’m here to interact with intelligent people of which there are many. Gladly, I can put you on my ignore list for the same reason I don’t read the Toronto Sun comments sections and never hear from you again, bro.
 
nightstreak said:
Sheesh… You made up a whole back story behind my “1 reason”. Respectfully, I’m not responsible for:

1. Your inability to understand context which in my post connects replacing the trees in the West Island to the purpose of sharing a photo of said trees.

2. Your paranoia and/or seeking conflict.

3. Your inability to express yourself beyond that of Toronto Sun reader.

They are in order of appearance, your grade school teacher, your therapist and (again) your grade school teacher.

I’m here to interact with intelligent people of which there are many. Gladly, I can put you on my ignore list for the same reason I don’t read the Toronto Sun comments sections and never hear from you again, bro.
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peace bud.
 
SubHuman said:
Why is everyone now assuming this thing is going to get built? Did they suddenly find someone to pay for it?
The NY Times article from a couple of weeks back reported that this Therme (not the larger one they were apparently pretending to be) "was losing money and had less than 1 million euro (about $1.1 million) in equity" when they pitched the idea, and "has yet to secure outside investment for its Toronto project."
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Good point. I think it’s a good assumption that it’ll be funded given the welcoming mat the provincial government of the 4th largest city in North America is rolling out for this. But you’re right, if there’s no business case here, why would anyone lend their money?
 
ben.thebean1 said:
To be fair, I feel like "mega spa" was just a marketing term that ended up being used to make people angry. It's an indoor water park, that's the main purpose it serves. They're also building a massive public park around the whole island with a decent sized public beach, and they've committed 200 million for shoreline restoration and naturalization, and wildlife habitats, including replacing trees at a 6:1 ratio. Although I don't support whatever the hell got us here, I've gotten to a point now where I'm just looking forward to what they do with the place
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From a PR perspective, the worst thing Therme did was highlighting the mega spa as the anchor of the development. In doing so, they portrayed the project, rightly or wrongly, as a Four Seasons-style luxury spa experience.

Ontario Place instills memories of childhood, nature, education and culture. Not a playground for the elite.
 
christiesplits said:
From a PR perspective, the worst thing Therme did was highlighting the mega spa as the anchor of the development. In doing so, they portrayed the project, rightly or wrongly, as a Four Seasons-style luxury spa experience.
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Right. This could've been pitched as an all-seasons replacement for the previously popular Ontario Place waterpark and I bet they would've gotten more popular by in, notwithstanding that it'll probably come with Four Seasons ticket prices vs the family friendly waterpark.
 
UtakataNoAnnex said:
I mean, is that all you got? I'm not sure I agree with all nightstreak-san's points there...but jeez, you're not helping your position much.
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Dont really care, if youre going to block people on the anonymous internet i lose all respect for you.
 
Elite? Aren't they talking about $40 for adults and free for toddlers? This seems to be aimed at being a nice place for the middle class on a bleak winter day. We'll see what prices are when it opens, of course. I've never been strongly in favour of it and I hate what it did to OP - it's just the wrong location - but we don't have evidence to call this an elite experience. BTW, The web site for the Bucharest operation appears to offer 3 hours for adults for about 20 CAD.
 
CapitalSeven said:
Elite? Aren't they talking about $40 for adults and free for toddlers? This seems to be aimed at being a nice place for the middle class on a bleak winter day. We'll see what prices are when it opens, of course. I've never been strongly in favour of it and I hate what it did to OP - it's just the wrong location - but we don't have evidence to call this an elite experience. BTW, The web site for the Bucharest operation appears to offer 3 hours for adults for about 20 CAD.
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You have to keep in mind that Bucharest is in Romania and cost of living is not comparable at all. Maybe it will be $40, I don't know.

$20 CAD also gets you 3 hours in the water park area only, not the adult areas and even there it is extra for massages, treatments etc. Same as any resort. Those are the areas that for sure will have elite costs here.
 
Piping in here as a silent observer. As someone who went to the Therme Bucharest last year, I would say that it was impressive and well done.

It did a great job of tailoring the experience to all ages and interests. Some sections were dominated by children and families - waterslides, shallow pools, another room was full of young adults acting as if they were at a pool party - a bar in the pool, jet beds, mineral pools, indoor/outdoor pool connection, massage beds, you name it. I wasn't expecting it upon arrival, but I would spend my money again when it's complete in Toronto.

If it's done to the same quality or better, this project could be very good for the city, both tourists and locals, especially in the winter months.
 
Weston said:
Piping in here as a silent observer. As someone who went to the Therme Bucharest last year, I would say that it was impressive and well done.

It did a great job of tailoring the experience to all ages and interests. Some sections were dominated by children and families - waterslides, shallow pools, another room was full of young adults acting as if they were at a pool party - a bar in the pool, jet beds, mineral pools, indoor/outdoor pool connection, massage beds, you name it. I wasn't expecting it upon arrival, but I would spend my money again when it's complete in Toronto.

If it's done to the same quality or better, this project could be very good for the city, both tourists and locals, especially in the winter months.
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Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm sure it'll be a good experience.

The difference is that Therme Ontario Place is to be built on expensive real estate in the city. Therme Bucharest is... well:

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Is there a business case to continue operating a billion dollar spa on expensive real estate for decades? I'm sure there'll be interested customers when it's new, but Doug Ford signed a century long lease for this place. Is it going to continue to be accessible to families after the initial buzz has died down and they need to recoup more per customer?
 
nightstreak said:
Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm sure it'll be a good experience.

The difference is that Therme Ontario Place is to be built on expensive real estate in the city. Therme Bucharest is... well:

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Is there a business case to continue operating a billion dollar spa on expensive real estate for decades? I'm sure there'll be interested customers when it's new, but Doug Ford signed a century long lease for this place. Is it going to continue to be accessible to families after the initial buzz has died down and they need to recoup more per customer?
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To be fair though, this project seems much more suited out in some farmer's field on the edge of civilization, to which is privately owned and with no real government incentives tied to it as far as we know...
 
nightstreak said:
Good point. I think it’s a good assumption that it’ll be funded given the welcoming mat the provincial government of the 4th largest city in North America is rolling out for this. But you’re right, if there’s no business case here, why would anyone lend their money?
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It could be interesting to see what happens in the next year or so. Supposedly they're required to begin construction by some time in spring of 2026. Let's hope any construction company they're trying to hire has seen the NY Times article and insists on a large up-front payment before they will do anything.
 
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