Amare said:
I think most of us here wouldnt dispute a parking garage if there was an absolute need for it.

The problem many of us have with this idiotic concept is:

1) The province is solely using the parking garage as a justification to build a spa that wont see the light of day. The move of the Science Centre to Ontario Place was used to help justify the "need" for it and to make the numbers work.

2) If you are going to build one, you do it underground, away from prime waterfront real estate. There is no need for this non-sense where it's being located, and the only reason province is doing so because they locked themselves into building X amount of spaces and tied it to an idiotic spa concept that wont be built by a private entity (not withstanding the water table issues).
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Exactly! This project is very frusterating and wastefull.
 
And if folks want to know what wasting tax dollars looks like, well here’s a great example…
 
It's called "Ontario Place" not "Toronto Place". I think many on here are missing the point that this is a provincial asset and will draw families from around the province who may not have access to transit like locals do. Can we not build a city and region with a balanced approach to transportation????? My God there are a lot of dogmatic people on this site.
 
Civdis said:
It's called "Ontario Place" not "Toronto Place". I think many on here are missing the point that this is a provincial asset and will draw families from around the province who may not have access to transit like locals do. Can we not build a city and region with a balanced approach to transportation????? My God there are a lot of dogmatic people on this site.
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A city should function for its citizens first and foremost. Period. Everything else comes secondary. And how are people from around the province supposed to get to this giant parkade on the edge of the water, with the Gardiner and Lake Shore backed up on the best of days? Hmm, maybe we could add one more lane, bro.... jeez, what's with all the car apologists on this site?
 
Jolene said:
A city should function for its citizens first and foremost. Period. Everything else comes secondary. And how are people from around the province supposed to get to this giant parkade on the edge of the water, with the Gardiner and Lake Shore backed up on the best of days? Hmm, maybe we could add one more lane, bro.... jeez, what's with all the car apologists on this site?
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Im not a car apologist. Cars are bs they should be banned entirely and everyone from the suburbs taxed to oblivion. But I live in reality where people do need their car to do anything. travel, shop and have fun. yes downtown near the skydome is jammed for 2 hours after an event, doesnt mean the event itself cant contribute to the economy?
 
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generalcanada said:
Im not a car apologist. Cars are bs they should be banned entirely and everyone from the suburbs taxed to oblivion. But I live in reality where people do need their car to do anything. travel, shop and have fun. yes downtown near the skydome is jammed for 2 hours after an event, doesnt mean the event itself cant contribute to the economy?
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Do they? I've never had a car (or even a license) and have been able to travel, shop, and have fun.
 
It's weird how this has turned into a Toronto-centric discussion...

...it still doesn't take away from the fact that this being a really stupid idea whether one think this is Ontario Place or "Toronto Place".
 
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Jolene said:
Do they? I've never had a car (or even a license) and have been able to travel, shop, and have fun.
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Good for you, that is your choice, others have to drive, it's a reality you refuse to accept. Try living in a place like Listowel, or Mount Forest without a car. Those people should be able to enjoy a Provincial asset paid for with their tax dollars, the same as someone living in Leslieville. I know I will never convince people like you, but like I said before, can we not have some balance (I am very pro transit btw)?
 
Jolene said:
Hmm, I don't think I said that, but go off.
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Id love if we just gave the middle finger to all car owners. but we cant so lets live in reality for a bit ok? The suburbs exist because they want to be close to the city but also the quiet life a farm.
which is why the streets are jam packed friday and saturday nights around event venues. Is that a good thing? probably not. we should be forcefully telling them not to drive. but we have ford as premier who would never let that happen.

Therefore if we want a great, useful and fun event and recreational space, we have to accept that parking is required. Required to the amount that everyone who wants to go can and wont be turned away by no parking.
 
generalcanada said:
Id love if we just gave the middle finger to all car owners. but we cant so lets live in reality for a bit ok? The suburbs exist because they want to be close to the city but also the quiet life a farm.
which is why the streets are jam packed friday and saturday nights around event venues. Is that a good thing? probably not. we should be forcefully telling them not to drive. but we have ford as premier who would never let that happen.

Therefore if we want a great, useful and fun event and recreational space, we have to accept that parking is required. Required to the amount that everyone who wants to go can and wont be turned away by no parking.
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In the short term, I agree that we can't get rid of cars in any meaningful capacity, because so much of this country is built with utter contempt for human beings, and that is why I find proposals like demolishing the Gardiner to be completely missing the forest for the trees. But, long term, shouldn't the answer to that be to expand transit infrastructure? By building this great honking garage on prime waterfront space while in the same breath dramatically descoping GO Expansion to the point that it shouldn't even count as a factor in the life of the average southern Ontarian, it's a tacit admission that we've given up trying to make life more tolerable in this country for people who don't or can't drive.

Why, in the everloving ****, are tax payers paying for the construction of a parking garage?
 
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The fact of the matter is, we're (the taxpayers) now building a 200 million dollar garage right on the edge of Toronto's waterfront. This is something that might belong at the airport or at a suburban mall, but it's now going to be a concrete monolith on Canada's largest city' lake prominade for decades to come. And it's being contractually built for a giant private spa that still is doubtful that it will ever get built.
Car lover, transit lover, compromise or not... in what world is this okay?
 
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