APTA-2048
Senior Member
I value not incentivizing more people to drive into downtown Toronto. It’s not just Ontario Place. I was on Queens Quay yesterday and thought the amount of congestion and bad drivers really spoils the atmosphere.
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Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
If the car is not stolen, broken into, or vandalized. That's why I prefer taking public transit.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
That's like saying "taking transit is great, assuming you aren't assaulted or mugged". It's very asinine.
AlexBozikovic
Active Member
Barrie would be an unusual case. A majority of OSC visitors have always been from the GTHA. And 25% recently have been school groups.
The location at 770 Don Mills was chosen explicitly for good regional highway access.
The new parking garage has 3500 spaces. That is three times the number that existed at the Don Mills OSC. That’s because the province has concentrated three uses, all of which have significant parking demand, and have chosen to cater to that parking demand, and to build a garage next to the lake.
These things are fundamentally incompatible. You can’t have a five-storey parking garage and a good waterfront park in the same place.
The government has released drawings of the science centre that pretend the parking garage doesn’t exist. And they’ve released zero drawings of the parking garage recently. That’s because it’s going to be terrible and they don’t want people to get their heads around that.
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UtakataNoAnnex
Superstar
Convenience will always become an inconvenient when everyone else uses the same mode of personal transportation to get to the same destination in the opening hours. This is what is commonly know as congestion....and it's the farthest thing from convenient. (And if you happen beat the traffic and get there under a half in the anecdote...you're just lucky.)
...it's also one of the big reasons why they shouldn't build a parking lot here.
...it's also one of the big reasons why they shouldn't build a parking lot here.
picard102
Senior Member
Cool, your individual preference doesn't make others less valid.
What about Live Nation? What about the water park at Ontario Place that Therme is replacing?
T3G
Senior Member
Queens Quay West would be a great street to give the King treatment to. There is really no reason for anyone to be driving down that way.
Also, tangentially related to congestion and bad driving, when are cops going to wake up and start doing something about the stupid jackasses in every town (not just in Canada) that go into these busy places where people are trying to enjoy themselves and rev their engines really loud, or have that stupid backfiring thing every time they accelerate that sounds like gun fire? The other evening I was in Oakville and during a 15 minute walk along Lakeshore there were at least 20 of these idiots. If you stationed a cop in every settlement with a population over 100 to ticket these outstanding citizens, you'd wipe out the national debt in the course of a single afternoon. Beyond sick of these people harassing the public due to their own insecurities, and the spineless "authority" figures that don't do anything about them.
AlexBozikovic
Active Member
There were 1200 parking spots at Ontario Place (which were mostly empty 90% of the time). Now there will be 3500. And a police station.
This is not the status quo. This is dramatic change to the site, with multiple very large opaque buildings and a parking garage that is, in itself, huge.
txlseries4
Active Member
What about them? They're easily accessed by public transit. Exhibition Place has 5,400 parking spaces and there are plenty of other lots nearby. More than enough.
picard102
Senior Member
Well I quoted the section about where the majority of visitors to the OSC were from, therefore make sense that I was asking about where the majority of visitors to the others were from.
Hope that helps.
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picard102
Senior Member
Which at in 2022 saw 2.9 million visitors. But how many were coming from destinations where transit is the most convenient mode to get here?
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UtakataNoAnnex
Superstar
If public transit isn't convenient it should be. And there's the rub...
...government should be investing into public transit instead of throwing it at cars.
...government should be investing into public transit instead of throwing it at cars.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
It’s almost like there is going to be a science centre, mega spa, and expanded concert venue built there or something.. I think it’s reasonable to expect parking demand to shift.
taal
Senior Member
Wait, with the expanded island airport, can't everyone just fly in, why the need for parking ? 
APTA-2048
Senior Member
This is weird. It’s not just me that would benefit from less cars on the road.