Civdis said:
Good for you, that is your choice, others have to drive, it's a reality you refuse to accept. Try living in a place like Listowel, or Mount Forest without a car. Those people should be able to enjoy a Provincial asset paid for with their tax dollars, the same as someone living in Leslieville. I know I will never convince people like you, but like I said before, can we not have some balance (I am very pro transit btw)?
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OP never said everyone should live that way.

I'm the only driver in a household of 4 adults. We have never owned a car, but we live 5 min from the subway, and I use car sharing/Turo as needed, so this works for us. We definitely save money v owning, but it requires a lot of planning. And we use Lyft/Uber/taxis, in addition to TTC.

It would be good for my kids to get their licenses as it provides flexibility and mobility for the future and on travels
 
“Needing” to put a parking garage next to the destination is detrimental and unnecessary. For what’s going on for the World Cup in this vicinity there is no on site parking and tens of thousands of people to the stadium and fan fest walked or took transit for the rest of their journey after parking a bit away, including plenty of families. People adapt when faced with having to walk and this is a walkable part of the city. Probably doesn't matter though, Ford's made up his mind, Ontarians are apathetic, and of course the many drivers won't object even though it's bad planning.
 
If they build this cheaply above ground, what's to stop future leaders from tearing it down later if 3500 parking spots are deemed excessive? Could we optimistically consider it a "holding spot" like the Porsche dealership in the Portlands?

I get that Therme has a minimal parking requirement in their contract, but could that be renegotiated if it were clear they were still getting the customer numbers they wanted?

And in the meantime, could we push for something like what @mcbg1 showed us from Copenhagen?
mcbg1 said:
At least, they should turn it into something aesthetic with a purpose on the roof like what they did in Copenhagen : https://russell-play.com/products/presenting-parknplay-rooftop-copenhagen/
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^I think Copenhagen has a number of parking facilities like that, but most are located in residential or business areas (read: location) that would work less for this site. I also strongly suspect their standards for emissions, driver responsibility and alternative modes of transportation are far higher here and what is being offered to us by Ford Nation.
 
Natika33 said:
And in the meantime, could we push for something like what @mcbg1 showed us from Copenhagen?
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There's are a few companies in the UK that install soccer mini-pitches on top of various kinds of buildings and run leagues. Would be another great use and would help with a big shortage of suitable spaces.
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I have no issue with a parking garage per se. I do drive, but I doubt I would ever drive here and pay $20-30 for parking. Taking the GO train is much easier (would probably drive to the GO station tbh).

But yeah, right on the lake is the problem. No one needs a parking garage in a postcard view of Ontario Place. Any other, hidden location, would be fine. If anything, replacing the surface lots with a parking garage is a good idea overall, in my opinion, though of course we should encourage transit as much as possible.
 
APTA-2048 said:
Plenty of people from outside the GTA already park at the outermost GO Stations and take the train in. A parking garage is not something we absolutely need to have to serve them. Parking is free, a day pass on the weekend is only 10$, and children are free. It’s a pretty good deal.
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People from Oakville may take GO here, but someone from Barrie? Probably not. It's very cumbersome to make the transfer onto the LSW. Yet alone someone from Sudbury or Ottawa..

It's also far easier to drive to Ontario Place than it is downtown - you miss entirely the downtown crapshoot of getting off the Gardiner. Someone driving here is going to take the 10+lane part of the Gardiner in Etobicoke which generally isn't terribly congested, then take Lake Shore, which also generally moves pretty well. It can be 30+ minutes faster to drive here vs. downtown.

We know already there is high parking demand for Ontario Place and Exhibition Place events - why deny that? This garage will likely be (more or less) self-financing. It's far from the largest issue with the whole Ontario Place scheme..
 
innsertnamehere said:
People from Oakville may take GO here, but someone from Barrie? Probably not. It's very cumbersome to make the transfer onto the LSW. Yet alone someone from Sudbury or Ottawa..

It's also far easier to drive to Ontario Place than it is downtown - you miss entirely the downtown crapshoot of getting off the Gardiner. Someone driving here is going to take the 10+lane part of the Gardiner in Etobicoke which generally isn't terribly congested, then take Lake Shore, which also generally moves pretty well. It can be 30+ minutes faster to drive here vs. downtown.

We know already there is high parking demand for Ontario Place and Exhibition Place events - why deny that? This garage will likely be (more or less) self-financing. It's far from the largest issue with the whole Ontario Place scheme..
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What is stopping people from parking outside the city and taking transit in?

Also if taking the train from Barrie is just “too hard” we are truly pathetic as Ontarians.
 
APTA-2048 said:
What is stopping people from parking outside the city and taking transit in?

Also if taking the train from Barrie is just “too hard” we are truly pathetic as Ontarians.
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Because most trains don't stop at Ontario Place, and it's far less efficient?

Someone coming from Barrie on transit takes well over 2 hours on GO to get to Exhibition GO, plus an extra 5-10 minute walk.

Or they can drive in a little over an hour in typical conditions.

That's the difference between actually being able to take your kids on a day trip to the Science Centre or having to get a hotel to do it.

Transit works pretty well for most in Downtown Toronto. If you do not live in Downtown Toronto, it's generally not suitable for most trips in any sort of efficient manner. Pretending that a provincial facility, built outside of a highly accessible transit location (i.e. walking distance of Union), will see no demand for parking is absurd.

As it is this parking garage is going to be priced to discourage use, but people will still happily pay as the convenience of driving for many in this province will far outweigh the costs. If the province wants to build a facility here that actually lives up to it's name as "Ontario" Place, it needs parking.
 
picard102 said:
Convenience.
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innsertnamehere said:
Because most trains don't stop at Ontario Place, and it's far less efficient?

Someone coming from Barrie on transit takes well over 2 hours on GO to get to Exhibition GO, plus an extra 5-10 minute walk.

Or they can drive in a little over an hour in typical conditions.

That's the difference between actually being able to take your kids on a day trip to the Science Centre or having to get a hotel to do it.

Transit works pretty well for most in Downtown Toronto. If you do not live in Downtown Toronto, it's generally not suitable for most trips in any sort of efficient manner. Pretending that a provincial facility, built outside of a highly accessible transit location (i.e. walking distance of Union), will see no demand for parking is absurd.

As it is this parking garage is going to be priced to discourage use, but people will still happily pay as the convenience of driving for many in this province will far outweigh the costs. If the province wants to build a facility here that actually lives up to its name as "Ontario" Place, it needs parking.
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This is just depressing.
 
APTA-2048 said:
This is just depressing.
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Some people value their time more than others. I would rather drive to a great many destinations instead of transit due to the time it takes. Just last week I had the choice of taking an hour via transit or 23 min via car to get to Wonderland. I chose the car.
 
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