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urbanclient
Senior Member
You're about to be shouted down for lack of nuance, by others with similarly unnuanced takes.Truth is low floors may be somewhat less reliable, partly because they're more costly to maintain, but that's no excuse for them capping speeds at 60 kph. The Flexity Freedom may be a lot better than the Citadis Spirit, but they're still far from being the most advanced or reliable by 2026 standards.
North American manufactured rolling stock seems to be hot garbage. Across the board. Technology decades behind, poor quality management, everything. Had this discussion about Toronto Rockets being heavy etc. recently. I am all for keeping industry and jobs local. But if they're consistently soiling the bed, then they deserve to be replaced by offshore competitors.
DatTranzitGuy
Active Member
It’s also just a waiting game until google maps updates to accommodate line 5
TwoWheelPoli
Active Member
You do realize there's still the western extension to Renforth under construction and yet another proposed extension to Pearson?
yurt2022
Active Member
The party is only just getting started...
yurt2022
Active Member
Everything manufactured in North America is junk.
Especially the overpriced hot garbage made by GM, Ford, Stellantis, etc. Even brands like Toyota/Lexus took a hit in quality when they were forced to bring manufacturing here under NAFTA.
Thankfully we're getting some Chinese EVs up here.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
I don’t think that’s necessarily a fair assessment. Not for Canada anyway. Though there is a lot less rolling stock manufactured here currently. I haven’t heard of any major problems with Vancouver’s MK IIIs and Vs. Bombardier has cranked out BiLevels successfully for over 40 years. Other than early teething issues, I haven’t heard of majors problems with the TRs and Azur trains. The second batch of LFLRVs appears to have been delivered with no issues.
Chaplinurbex
New Member
Don't forget the 20 minutes to wait for the 32 to move through all the Allan traffic and turn into the station.
Cambry Ardship
Active Member
According to the timetable, the trip will be about 12 minutes from Fairbank to Yonge-Eglinton compared to 30+ minutes on the bus currently.
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
Bike lanes aren't allowed in Ford's Ontario anymore...
Cambry Ardship
Active Member
Bike lanes are still allowed, and if the tendering/contracting was done for Eglinton TOday before Bill 212 passed then it can still be done without asking the province for permission.
urbanclient
Senior Member
You're not comparing it to any baseline. You haven't heard of any major problems... Those Skytrain rolling stock types seem fine, but then again, only 5 other cities run Innovia Metros, and basically none of them bought Canadian-built rolling stock post-opening. EDIT: 3 of 5 didn't buy Canadian-built rolling stock period.
Bombardier BiLevels are outdated tech, and the doors between trains often don't work properly, forcing people to use this switch to keep doors closed or open:
It begs the question, why haven't GO carriages been upgraded to proper open gangways? Probably cost and familiarity with the legacy stuff.
Maybe I should've been more specific, it's some combination of "technology decades behind, poor quality management, etc."
The Toronto Rockets are running 28 inch wheels (for continuity with older stock?) when most of the world has moved on to 30-33 inch wheels for new rolling stock. They also had their own problems, whether you think they're major is up to you: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/new-ttc-trains-performance-unacceptable-says-ceo-1.1211708
Flexity Freedom tech is close to 2 decades old. Even then, it's unacceptable that they're capped at 60 kph despite over 6 years of testing.
CrosstownTO
The Crosstown is a 19-kilometre light rail transit line that will run under and along Eglinton Avenue through the heart of Toronto. The Crosstown is one of four new LRT lines bringing 52 km more transit to Toronto. Under construction today.
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thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
Ah. I mean to be fair this project was contracted under Wynne in 2015 so it predates him. Let's just hope Dougie doesn't drive down Eglinton one day....
crs1026
Superstar
There's a difference between negativity and avoiding complacency.
I am delighted by the opening and what it means for getting around the city.
But, the reality is, this line has the potential to be mediocre if we accept it as it stands, but excellent if we insist on fixing things..
The reality is, the various organizations and personalities involved will only rise to excellence if they are pushed, hard. So it's imperative that we monitor the areas where we know there are potential gaps, and keep the focus on improving on these.
Pointing out those very real gaps is the first step in correcting them. It's only negativity if one declares that they will never be solvable.
The deficiencies in Line 5 are largely solvable. Let's do our part to keep the pressure on towards that. If that means some harsh posts on this forum that dwell on those fixable deficiencies. I'm good with that.
- Paul
I am delighted by the opening and what it means for getting around the city.
But, the reality is, this line has the potential to be mediocre if we accept it as it stands, but excellent if we insist on fixing things..
The reality is, the various organizations and personalities involved will only rise to excellence if they are pushed, hard. So it's imperative that we monitor the areas where we know there are potential gaps, and keep the focus on improving on these.
Pointing out those very real gaps is the first step in correcting them. It's only negativity if one declares that they will never be solvable.
The deficiencies in Line 5 are largely solvable. Let's do our part to keep the pressure on towards that. If that means some harsh posts on this forum that dwell on those fixable deficiencies. I'm good with that.
- Paul
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LNahid2000
Senior Member
As per the TTC CEO, there is no party:
Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis
It feels so surreal that this is happening... I would be scouring this thread for the last few years looking at what people would be saying about the line, and have learned so much from everyone here; to think that people could be riding as soon as this Sunday... Welcome to the forum, glad you...