[Richard White]

Artwork? Perhaps, but most likely just murals. Nothing to the extent that we see on the Vaughan extension of Line 1. IIRC, some folks on this forum have expressed displeasure with the grandiose design of the 407 highway station. I personally love it!

Ah yes.. I miss telling people to **** off using the LED lighting at Pioneer Village!

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

I think it's actually 5 minutes from Bathurst to Bloor-Yonge. I strongly suspect there are conservative operations for the Eglinton underground section as well (i.e. acceleration, braking, platform speed limits, dwell times).

I may be 100% wrong about not including red lights, but something doesn't add up. I calculated a simple model that is spot on with the average segment times for underground and surface. I included 30 sec for stationary time at each stop, but I didn't include red light time. The only way one can manage 23-25 km/h average speeds for the underground section is with some combo of slow acceleration and braking, as well as low platform speed limits and long dwell times. If acceleration is slow underground, then upping the top speed to 88 from 60 km/h would only save 2-4 seconds per segment i.e. virtually no difference in average speed.

For reference, Line 2 Bloor's average speed downtown is 26-27 km/h.

This is why expectations for Sunday should be tempered, Line 6 FW was consistently doing 50, 60+ minutes when it opened, slower than scheduled. It's now frequently in the mid 40s.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TTC/comments/1qvq4az/new_attraction_at_mount_dennis_station

Safe to say there is gonna be a lot of mopping going on and attempts to plug that hole in the next few days....

 

[crs1026]

Artwork? Perhaps, but most likely just murals. Nothing to the extent that we see on the Vaughan extension of Line 1. IIRC, some folks on this forum have expressed displeasure with the grandiose design of the 407 highway station. I personally love it!

Remember these stations were designed by Metrolinx, not the TTC. If Mt. Dennis, Cedarvale, and the Finch station for Line 6 are anything to go by, Metrolinx most likely cheaped out on the Line 5 stations and they'll all be relatively uniform with each other.

I won't rekindle that whole debate, beyond noting that TYSSE is one extreme and Line 5 may be another extreme, with lots of middle ground possible going forward.

What ML does deserve credit for on Line 5 is its efforts to blend stations into the streetscape along Eglinton, especially with respect to heritage buildings and overall harmony with the prevailing heights and setbacks. The Kodak building, the Forest Hill fire/police station, the bank at Mount Pleasant are all great examples that a different builder might not have cared about.

The context on Eglinton (densely urban, main street typology) is very different than TYSSE (which was much more open fields, wide spaces, room to be grand) and ML responded to that. Stations of the scale of TYSSE would have been sore thumbs on Eglinton.

How TOD changes that remains to be seen. And yeah, the result may be a bit bland, but that's in keeping with much of Line 1 and line 2, so practically a cultural norm in this city.

- Paul

 

[ThenWhat]

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What ML does deserve credit for on Line 5 is its efforts to blend stations into the streetscape along Eglinton, especially with respect to heritage buildings and overall harmony with the prevailing heights and setbacks. The Kodak building, the Forest Hill fire/police station, the bank at Mount Pleasant are all great examples that a different builder might not have cared about.

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Yes, a good point. Credit should be given where it's due.

That raises questions about the other stations. Those ugly above ground boxes at Laird, Bayview, Don Mills (aka Don Valley) etc. Are they meant to be temporary until a developer comes in with a proposal to build a real building instead?

 

[Chaplinurbex]

Yes, a good point. Credit should be given where it's due.

That raises questions about the other stations. Those ugly above ground boxes at Laird, Bayview, Don Mills (aka Don Valley) etc. Are they meant to be temporary until a developer comes in with a proposal to build a real building instead?

Obviously not?

 

[urbanclient]

Are they meant to be temporary until a developer comes in with a proposal to build a real building instead?

That would make too much sense. That wouldn't happen in our bizarro world. Pretty sure there is already precedent for a condo to not incorporate a pre-existing entrance.

 

[A 6264]

That would make too much sense. That wouldn't happen in our bizarro world. Pretty sure there is already precedent for a condo to not incorporate a pre-existing entrance.

College Park?

 

[APTA-2048]

Do we know if each station will have some unique artwork in it like the extension up to Vaughn Metropolitan Centre which was awesome.

The TTC can be very beautiful when it wants to be.

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Some of the tile work on the Eglinton line looks nice like at Cedarvale and Science Centre. Incorporated well into a minimalist design. Some stations could use more coloured accents though, like Mount Dennis.

 

[crs1026]

That raises questions about the other stations. Those ugly above ground boxes at Laird, Bayview, Don Mills (aka Don Valley) etc. Are they meant to be temporary until a developer comes in with a proposal to build a real building instead?

Oh, yes, that's coming

See for instance 1779 Bayview (This may not be the latest version of the proposal)

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- Paul

 

[urbanclient]

College Park?

I wasn't clear before: I meant for Line 5 Eglinton. EDIT: @crs1026 found a counter-example. I vaguely recall a recent render for a condo with more seamless transit integration than 1779 Bayview, but I forgot which city, much less which line.

Even the counter-example above is evidence of poor future-proofing. There was no provision for future TODs built above those gaudy station entrances.

 

[transitthinker]

For anyone looking to ride the first scheduled trains from Kennedy or Mount Dennis on Sunday, where would the best places to line up being? Both stations have so many entrances, and without any actual event I'm curious to see how people organize themselves

 

[adys123]

I wasn't clear before: I meant for Line 5 Eglinton. EDIT: @crs1026 found a counter-example. I vaguely recall seeing a render for a condo with a more seamless podium-transit integration, but I forgot which city, much less which line.

Even the counter-example above is evidence of poor future-proofing. There was no provision for future TODs built above these gaudy station entrances.

The provisions for overbuild were built into the structural components on the station. It would be inaccurate to claim that there were "no provisions" for TOD, when the station is designed to support additional load (no matter if you disagree with the way it was implemented).

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

With the "soft" opening, does that mean 10 minute service using 3 or 2 car trains, in the non-rush hour?

 

[eglinton1661]

There are 3-5 accounts on here that are utterly poisoning the discourse. The Line 6 thread has been unreadable for its unrelenting nihilism and negativity for some time now. Line 5 hasn't opened, and it's already happening here too.

Is Line 5 imperfect? Of course. Lots of criticism is merited. But there is a pocket of users on here that are assailing the line for seemingly no reason except to 1) provoke? rage bait? or 2) to make anyone that expresses even a modicum of excitement feel like shit.

Enough already! Do you know how awful you have to be to make the Reddit threads seem fair and balanced? Have some self restraint, or mods: please step in more aggressively, or the rest of us should find somewhere else to talk about this project.

 

[urbanclient]

The provisions for overbuild were built into the structural components on the station. It would be inaccurate to claim that there were "no provisions" for TOD, when the station is designed to support additional load (no matter if you disagree with the way it was implemented).

Yes you're right to correct me there. I subjectively do not agree with how these (what I believe to be) overly-large entrances were built. For example, I don't think this Chaplin entrance can support much weight of even a mid-rise. The "future-proofing" I was thinking of, was to have smaller entrances that can be isolated, such that they interfere less with future TOD construction (I say that with the benefit of hindsight).

There are 3-5 accounts on here that are utterly poisoning the discourse.

Enough already! Do you know how awful you have to be to make the Reddit threads seem fair and balanced? Have some self restraint, or mods: please step in more aggressively, or the rest of us should find somewhere else to talk about this project.

Is this poisoning the discourse? I can't directly speak for others, but I am hoping people have reasonable expectations come Sunday, and expect gradual improvements after. If you're expecting an echo chamber of plaudits and hand-waving, perhaps you can ignore or wait for better news.

From a hypothetical Line 5 hater's perspective, people posting niceties like "I can't wait for Sunday, I am so excited" would be utterly repulsive, no? Even then, I am sure most here don't think in black-and-white like that. So if you find criticism to be repulsive, that's a you problem.

You glean new knowledge from disagreement, not head-nodding and cheerleading. Hyping it up too much just leads to disappointment. And guess what, I am very excited for Sunday...

I've made posts explaining how the numbers thrown around yesterday's board meeting & announcement don't add up. I'm sure 99% of people don't want to see more math minutiae, but I could give the full calculations. The underground section should be faster than reported, and the surface section should be slower. And nonetheless, I could still be wrong. That's not "assailing the line for no reason".

This is why expectations for Sunday should be tempered, Line 6 FW was consistently doing 50, 60+ minutes when it opened, slower than scheduled. It's now frequently in the mid 40s.