duffo
Active Member
Take the Kitchener GO line from Mt Dennis to Dundas West. If the timing isn't going to work out, the 989 from Mt Dennis to Keele is the only express option.
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6ixGod
Active Member
NotJustBikes said it best. If people were aware of how the streetcars were being operated, then nobody should have been surprised about Finch West. Eglinton will suffer from the same problems.
I just hope the public keeps the pressure on these TTC, Metrolinx and City Hall yobs and force them to introduce the very minimum of tram service….operational speeds over 50km/h and full TSP.
I know full well they’re buying time and are hoping people in Toronto just forget and accept this trash 2nd class service as ok. I hope I’m wrong.
crs1026
Superstar
I'm actually optimistic that this has been a tipping point moment and the city won't be going back..
There's no question that both Lines 5 and 6 were designed and built with tradeoffs assumed that led to mediocrity. Some of the mediocrity was baked in by Council and TTC decisions that have become culture - ie surface LRT is a streetcar and streetcars can only be slow and any effort to improve on that is rocking the boat and cannot be tolerated. The faction that has labelled transit priority as a "war on cars" has prevailed, and both city staff and TTC staff have figured out which side of the fence is safer for their career security. So nobody was suggesting anything ambitious.
Thanks to Line 6, the public - and some of the more apathetic pols - have concluded that look, if we are going to spend this much money on a transit line, it better perform with excellence. And at the moment the many voters riding on a tram have more leverage than the three guys trying to turn left in their Cybertrucks.
The TSP debate has gone on for years and to this point it has been suppressed by the City with the support of the majority of Council. The turnaround in that debate is impressive. The King Street transit zone failed because nobody wanted to mess with drivers, but now we have pols actually worrying about how well Line 5 will measure up, and are complaining that TSP isn't going fast enough. Ford is slinking away and hiding, where before he would undoubtedly have sided with the TSP opponents.
I am hoping it will all stick. If it does, the point made today that the whole streetcar network can be improved by TSP and other changes in road configuration might also stick around.
- Paul
urbanclient
Senior Member
No comment on what the future holds after a week of service, plus higher speed limits in March and TSP in May. However, I do think that expectations should be tempered for Sunday. Unless you want disappointment.
Also:
Credit to @CYYC2CYYZ from Reddit:
"Line 5 Published Timetable (from TTC's Timetable Data / GTFS Released Today)"
I suspect that time stuck at red lights was not included.
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A 6264
Active Member
73B is one I hadn't thought of. It might be an option, though it seems to be a winding route. Otherwise I would go with Duffo's suggestion of 989 express to Keele. Thanks to all who responded.
A 6264
Active Member
The press seem to have some facts wrong in their news stories about what will happen when Line 5 opens. I'm looking at CityNews website's article posted 40 mins ago, and 2 things were spotted immediately.
1. They say opening time will be 5:45 Monday to Saturday, and a "potentially late start" on Sunday, as though they aren't sure it's true. I believe it's 7:30 opening on Saturday and Sunday.
2. They say "Officials also confirmed there won’t be parallel shuttle buses running at the same time" - but the TTC only calls it a shuttle bus when it's a temporary fix when a line is down. They seem to think there will be no parallel bus route on Eglinton, which isn't so.
Speaking of the new version of route 34, I'm not sure if it's a full route, since it will supposedly have "limited service". Is it like a non-express bus for local service that has more stops? That would make sense, but I get the feeling that's not the intent. We have been seeing many stops taken away from the 2 Eglinton routes over the last 5 years, which I think was done to prepare for Line 5 which won't serve those stops. If the new route 34 is to be a local route, they should put the stops back, and have it run at normal frequency for a bus route. Otherwise, what's the point?
1. They say opening time will be 5:45 Monday to Saturday, and a "potentially late start" on Sunday, as though they aren't sure it's true. I believe it's 7:30 opening on Saturday and Sunday.
2. They say "Officials also confirmed there won’t be parallel shuttle buses running at the same time" - but the TTC only calls it a shuttle bus when it's a temporary fix when a line is down. They seem to think there will be no parallel bus route on Eglinton, which isn't so.
Speaking of the new version of route 34, I'm not sure if it's a full route, since it will supposedly have "limited service". Is it like a non-express bus for local service that has more stops? That would make sense, but I get the feeling that's not the intent. We have been seeing many stops taken away from the 2 Eglinton routes over the last 5 years, which I think was done to prepare for Line 5 which won't serve those stops. If the new route 34 is to be a local route, they should put the stops back, and have it run at normal frequency for a bus route. Otherwise, what's the point?
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Burnt creek
Active Member
Question. I have stopped and gotten off and on at Eglinton station maybe a dozen times in the past year and I know that station very well from the past. This year, I recall seeing directional signs for Line 5 and it, from what i recall, was on the platform level. Is it possible to access the line 5 platform directly from the line 1 platform or do you have to go upstairs and then go back downstairs? One of the rarely mentioned aspects of good planning and design is how accessible the transfer points are and i would say that Bloor station is good in this regard and from what i recall about Line 6, it seemed not so good. i recall a long walk. from the station entrance and suspect a similar walk when you get off FW stn on line 1.
Its often the little attention to details (in planning and design) like this that can sometimes makes us look poor compared to other places in the world. I am hoping that they get this right.
PS.: the Montreal metro is outstanding for this. I am thinking of the creativity in design on Lionel Groulx station and how it makes travel times fast. I might nominate Lionel Groulx station as one of the best I have seen!! You get off the orange line at Lionel groulx a and change line by just crossing the platform, depending on where you are going. plus you have a convenience store and newsstand right on the platform
Its often the little attention to details (in planning and design) like this that can sometimes makes us look poor compared to other places in the world. I am hoping that they get this right.
PS.: the Montreal metro is outstanding for this. I am thinking of the creativity in design on Lionel Groulx station and how it makes travel times fast. I might nominate Lionel Groulx station as one of the best I have seen!! You get off the orange line at Lionel groulx a and change line by just crossing the platform, depending on where you are going. plus you have a convenience store and newsstand right on the platform
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thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
Either take the UP Express one stop to Bloor then walk to Dundas West, or take the 27 to Jane Station, or 989 express to Keele.
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
It's role will be similar to the 97 Yonge bus. The goal to serve stops in between stations
eglinton1661
Active Member
They're just paraphrasing what Lali said directly at the board meeting. He said 5.40 start, although the TTC website says 7:30. TTC should correct the record if Lali misspoke.
And #2 is in response to Councilor Bravo's question of whether Line 5 bus service will run in parallel with the LRT during the phased opening, to which Lali said no, there will be no parallel service.
I transcribed his comments here: https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...ne-5-m-s-metrolinx-arcadis.11782/post-2346751
Yes, at the northern-most end of the platform there's an escalator, an elevator and stairs that all lead down to the Line 5 mezzanine. From there it's another escalator/elevator trip down one more floor to Line 5 track level. See: https://cdn.ttc.ca/-/media/Project/...f93c863&hash=ABAD10E3366B3437D6AA7487ABEF6D8A
Burnt creek
Active Member
Thanks
yurt2022
Active Member
Wheres the 151 Leslie North?
GenerationLee
Senior Member
Your best bet is AnW or McDs or 7/11 by Eglinton station.
McGillicuddy
Active Member
There will also be a whole mall food court connected to Eglinton Station.
ThenWhat
Active Member
151 goes north from Line 4 (Sheppard).