PurplePinky
Active Member
Is it nearly or exactly? Significance?
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Is it nearly or exactly? Significance?
robmausser
Senior Member
The TTC couldn't give two shits about line reception. Thats the problem. They have zero care or understanding of optics or marketing or anything. All they care about are their employees and appeasing the union. Eglinton will 100% open just as slow as Finch, even if the TTC is forced to speed up Finch. They will learn nothing.
T3G
Senior Member
[citation needed]
If this were the case, then you wouldn't have people jumping ship from streetcar en masse due to the micromanagement and politics.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
If this were the case, they'd have the happiest employees in the world. LOL There is a morale problem that most people don't see.
Mind_the_gap
Active Member
I knew these LRT lines were awry when we didn't adopt four-aspect signals:
On Helsinki's Line 15, tram operators are afforded ~13 seconds notice at 70km/h (8 seconds with German F4, 5 seconds with red/yellow combo).
I found it interesting that it was said at the most recent TTC meeting that the loop detectors should be moved back.
I've said it before they could mitigate the four-aspect by having a red-yellow phase.
The fact that Steve Munro said the TTC hasn't even explore what K-W has done is pathetic...
K-W has the flashing stop bar indicating that the signal is about to change to green.We suck when we can't even figure transit signals out...
Thought I'd start out with a beautiful photo of a "loop detector"/Induction loop (Wiki):
(Helsinki)
If Lines 5/6 were meant to be anything other than streetcar lines in the open sections, we should've had four-aspect transit signals...
Finland adapted the Germans:
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This is only where full priority exists, eg. how Toronto intersections are fully signalized.
Operators are given the ball to provide eight-seconds notice that they've been acknowledged, before the five-second red-yellow phase. They're provided with ~13-seconds notice to adjust their speed before the signal changes to green.
Otherwise you have these, when conflicting interactions are given a cautionary yield.
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They are usually accompanied by these:
At roundabouts;
At right-turns - Left-turns are always protected.
Good video (in German)
On Helsinki's Line 15, tram operators are afforded ~13 seconds notice at 70km/h (8 seconds with German F4, 5 seconds with red/yellow combo).
I found it interesting that it was said at the most recent TTC meeting that the loop detectors should be moved back.
I've said it before they could mitigate the four-aspect by having a red-yellow phase.
The fact that Steve Munro said the TTC hasn't even explore what K-W has done is pathetic...
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
The impression I get as a rider is that no one cared about what mattered - speed, reliability, convenience, cleanliness.
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denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
nearly, means they have 60 days to fix whatever they have to
yrt+viva=1system
Senior Member
Considering how they answers the questions from the board meeting yesterday, how can we even trust the people and organization who are going to be writing this staff report? They'll just cook the staff report and say everything is fine and dandy and there are no improvements necessary; all our streetcar operations policies are world class and produce safe movement. Case closed.
What needs to happen is a third party review of all the streetcar operations policies. This way the TTC can't hide their dirt (eg. remember the SRT derailment: TTC says everything is fine and dandy, nothing to see here folks.).
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Moderator
afransen
Senior Member
It's clear that no one was emphasizing a customer centric mindset. Giant box ticking exercise...
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
If I can be crude, the mindset seems to have gone from you are riding the TTC because it is superior in performance to you are riding the TTC because you have no option so suck it up.
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Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
The TTC adverts on the Allen are so mind-bogglingly tone-deaf.
toronto647
Active Member
Heard from the grape veins, no opening date will be announced this year, will be announced in the new year IF / ASSUMING TTC is satisfied... here goes another year waiting for an opening date lol
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
At this point, does it really matter if they announce it within the next 19 days? After the debacle of Line 6, they should have at the very least a plan to address the issues in place before opening.
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toronto647
Active Member
If you are referring to signal priority and bringing speeds up to normal levels when opening that will likely take months if not years... no point holding our breath for that. Rather have the line open and then MTO/City/Metrolinx/TTC and other partners figure out the speed.
If thats the logic, might as well wait for the EG W LRT Extension to be ready and have even a faster "crosstown". Only 4-5 years to go for that or at least they say.