T3G
Senior Member
In the old days, almost all of our streetcar routes ran really short headways, much shorter than 6 minutes. Street running, ROW-based European tramway systems also run at short headways. There is nothing remotely undoable about it.
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Steve X
Senior Member
If you look at Ottawa, the confederation line runs 10 min off peak with the length equivalent to 3 car trains.
nfitz
Superstar
I think one thing people aren't considering is that observations seem only to have been made west of Laird. Are there any observations at Mount Dennis? Hasn't there been talk of operationally short-turning some (peak?) trains at Laird.
Traffic lights might be interesting - but what's the maximum traffic light cycle? I'd think you could easily run double that amount without much issue. And simply hold the occasional car at a stop, if the car ahead is too close, so it respaces. But that will be a potential issue, for the short distance where there are multiple lights.
I don't see how speed or dwell times would impact frequency. If they are all moving at the same speed, with the same dwell time, then they could move at 1-km an hour with a 5-hour dwell and still run every 3 minutes. It's all very silly of course ... but it doesn't impact frequency.
Traffic lights might be interesting - but what's the maximum traffic light cycle? I'd think you could easily run double that amount without much issue. And simply hold the occasional car at a stop, if the car ahead is too close, so it respaces. But that will be a potential issue, for the short distance where there are multiple lights.
Steve X
Senior Member
Yeah that would be pretty pathetic if trains are lined up back to back.
Somehow I highly doubt TTC lines the short turn idea. They will just mess it up and make the whole line run like a mess. When they had the line 1 short turn at Glencarin, they only did it in the morning.
nfitz
Superstar
Was Glencairn that bad? It seemed okay the rare morning I was up that way.
I doubt it would be any more than AM peak and PM peak anyhow.
transitthinker
New Member
I've heard several people mention the Laird turn back as the planned service pattern, not sure if it's true. I will say that the TTC takes a long time to turn back vehicles, often delaying the one behind
Steve X
Senior Member
If everything was running smoothly that morning, then it wouldn't be that bad. When a train that is suppose to fit between two trains from "Downsview" is late cause it got stuck, they'll sometimes wait and hold a train at Lawrence West for a couple minutes.
smallspy
Senior Member
At an unknown future date, yes. They have short-turned some in testing service in order to train the ops and also to re-sequence trains, but for the first several years all scheduled service will operate end-to-end.
What do you mean "when"? It happens every single weekday morning from the beginning of September to the end of June.
And no, it absolutely, positively was not a mess - the service runs quite fine through that section, in fact. For all of the complaints about the TTC's service - and quite rightly so - this was the one thing that consistently runs pretty smoothly.
Dan
nfitz
Superstar
You see enough 1- or 2-minute holds on Line 2. Typically at Chester. I'd have thought with automation they could just time them into the whole run a bit more seamlessly though.
Are you referring to current gap trains? Or the many years (decades) of short-turns at Glencairn before the TYSSE opened?[
jmi22
Active Member
New story on the Crosstown stations in Little Jamaica, and the shifts to bus service planned for opening
urbantoronto.ca
Line 5: Crosstown Stations to Transform Little Jamaica Accessibility | UrbanToronto
In Little Jamaica, one of Toronto’s most culturally vibrant areas, an unprecedented level of mobility is set to arrive with the long-delayed opening of Eglinton Line 5. Within the area's boundaries, four rapid transit stations are expected to open later this year. Soon, at any of the area’s...
smallspy
Senior Member
The long-running morning short turn trains, first to St. Clair West and more recently to Glencairn.
Dan
crs1026
Superstar
From the Toronto Fire Incident page. Don't know the details, but this ain't Line 1 territory.
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johntauren
Active Member
That's also nowhere near the underground section. Roughly halfway between the DVP and Vic Park, and 1.5km west of the previous incident. And there isn't like a pedestrian passage underground (sometimes called subway) around either.
TOtramz
Active Member
If the fire department is responding, it doesn't automatically mean there was a fire right? It would be really bad if now line 5 had a fire a few months after finch LRT did.
edit: https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/arti...rt-train-involved-in-collision-in-north-york/
It was a crash
Thaboss
Active Member
Oh boy...and so it begins..
I don't even know what to say or think about this anymore..