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Oh my...is that a NEW Payphone!!!! It was probably installed before cell phones.... 🤦‍♂️ lol

(Photo from the Globe & Mail article)
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urbanclient said:
(https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/sheppard-line-4-subway-extension-proposed.20503/page-385)

I calculated the actual travel time to be about 50 minutes from Mount Dennis to Kennedy. York University to Union on Line 1 (under ideal conditions) is scheduled to take 38 minutes for 19km. There is no way 19km of Line 5 with ~8km of surface running will take the 38 minutes as advertised. Assuming the same speeds as Line 2 in the tunnel section, 20km/h surface speeds or no traffic bus speeds (Google Maps) we'd be looking at 45-55 minutes.
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Given that RSD is now in progress, Metrolinx and/or the TTC will now finally have hard data on travel times. I for one am just dying to see the numbers.

But will I? Die, I mean, before I or any member of the public see those numbers, once the thing actually opens? I’m not saying that will happen. But it would be fully consistent with their record so far.
 
Looking at Google Maps in the middle of the day, to drive the full length of the Eglinton LRT is about 52 minutes while a bus straight across Eglinton (not the preferred route, which would be taking Line 2) would take 1 hour 29 minutes.

60% faster than driving would be 33 minutes, 60% faster than transit would be 56 minutes.

60% faster than the preferred transit route which is currently 1 hour 14 minutes would be 46 minutes.

I guess those are the potential target travel times to achieve.
 
regarding speed - the Bloor Line between Kipling and Keele takes 13 minutes to go 6.7km with an average stop spacing of ~850 metres - the same stop spacing as the underground part of the Crosstown. This is an average speed of 31km/h.

Eglinton's underground speed should be generally similar. Which means the travel time for the 11km underground portion should be ~21 minutes.

To hit that 38 minute travel time, it means that the LRT would need to cover the ~8km surface portion in 17 minutes, or an average speed of 28km/h. I'm doubtful it'll be hit.

The western half of the surface portion will be relatively quick. There are just 5 signalized intersections from Laird to Victoria Park, across about 5km, and average stop spacing remains at about ~850m. Speed across here should be relatively strong - I could see 25km/h or greater. So lets assume 11 minutes to get to Victoria Park from Leaside, which leaves.. 6 minutes to get across the Golden Mile. There are 8 signalized intersections and 6 stations across 3km. This part will be SLOW. Probably like 20km/h, if that. Optimistically, probably another 9 minutes to cross that 3 km.

Total estimate travel time: ~41 minutes.

Also: The Lebovic stop still bothers the hell out of me. It's completely unnecessary.
 
innsertnamehere said:
regarding speed - the Bloor Line between Kipling and Keele takes 13 minutes to go 6.7km with an average stop spacing of ~850 metres - the same stop spacing as the underground part of the Crosstown. This is an average speed of 31km/h.

Eglinton's underground speed should be generally similar. Which means the travel time for the 11km underground portion should be ~21 minutes.

To hit that 38 minute travel time, it means that the LRT would need to cover the ~8km surface portion in 17 minutes, or an average speed of 28km/h. I'm doubtful it'll be hit.

The western half of the surface portion will be relatively quick. There are just 5 signalized intersections from Laird to Victoria Park, across about 5km, and average stop spacing remains at about ~850m. Speed across here should be relatively strong - I could see 25km/h or greater. So lets assume 11 minutes to get to Victoria Park from Leaside, which leaves.. 6 minutes to get across the Golden Mile. There are 8 signalized intersections and 6 stations across 3km. This part will be SLOW. Probably like 20km/h, if that. Optimistically, probably another 9 minutes to cross that 3 km.

Total estimate travel time: ~41 minutes.

Also: The Lebovic stop still bothers the hell out of me. It's completely unnecessary.
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I think that stop (Lebovic) is mainly for when all of that area is redeveloped with all of the condo towers planned for that area. Makes me think of the Northbound Richmond and Queen stops with their spacing being very close. (Downtown I know, but awfully close).
 
tstormers said:
I think that stop (Lebovic) is mainly for when all of that area is redeveloped with all of the condo towers planned for that area. Makes me think of the Northbound Richmond and Queen stops with their spacing being very close. (Downtown I know, but awfully close).
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It's just comically close to the two adjacent stations.

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I mean, the westbound Warden platform is all of 75 metres from the eastbound Lebovic platform. Total stop spacing between Warden and Lebovic is less than 250 metres. It's a joke. Even if you deleted Lebovic, you would be looking at a 700 metre stop spacing between Warden and Pharmacy which is still very reasonable.

The Ferrand stop is similarly useless, requiring passengers to cross Eglinton at the DVP off-ramp (dangerous and unpleasant) and servicing very little in easy walking distance that wouldn't prefer to walk to Don Mills instead.

Metrolinx deleting those two stops would have substantially improved travel times on the surface alignment with a very, very minimal impact to riders.
 
innsertnamehere said:
regarding speed - the Bloor Line between Kipling and Keele takes 13 minutes to go 6.7km with an average stop spacing of ~850 metres - the same stop spacing as the underground part of the Crosstown. This is an average speed of 31km/h.

Eglinton's underground speed should be generally similar. Which means the travel time for the 11km underground portion should be ~21 minutes.

To hit that 38 minute travel time, it means that the LRT would need to cover the ~8km surface portion in 17 minutes, or an average speed of 28km/h. I'm doubtful it'll be hit.

The western half of the surface portion will be relatively quick. There are just 5 signalized intersections from Laird to Victoria Park, across about 5km, and average stop spacing remains at about ~850m. Speed across here should be relatively strong - I could see 25km/h or greater. So lets assume 11 minutes to get to Victoria Park from Leaside, which leaves.. 6 minutes to get across the Golden Mile. There are 8 signalized intersections and 6 stations across 3km. This part will be SLOW. Probably like 20km/h, if that. Optimistically, probably another 9 minutes to cross that 3 km.

Total estimate travel time: ~41 minutes.

Also: The Lebovic stop still bothers the hell out of me. It's completely unnecessary.
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The underground tunnel does allow the LRVs to run faster than the trains on Line 2. They should be able to get through quickly.

The Leslie turn will be a bottleneck. They should really allow the trains through before the long queue of turning traffic.

Double stopping will be allowing. The three lights at VP, Eglinton Square and Pharmacy will be very slow. They should grade separate this section.

I disagree with removing the Lebovic stop. Unless they totally remove that intersection and prevent shoppers from going through it, it won’t help with much.

I also expect that stop to be busy with shoppers. Perhaps they should just place one stop between warden and lebovic and get everyone to walk.
 
innsertnamehere said:
Eglinton's underground speed should be generally similar. Which means the travel time for the 11km underground portion should be ~21 minutes.
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In testing, it does.

innsertnamehere said:
To hit that 38 minute travel time, it means that the LRT would need to cover the ~8km surface portion in 17 minutes, or an average speed of 28km/h. I'm doubtful it'll be hit.
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In testing, it does not.

21 minutes seems to be a consistent number to go from Leslie to Kennedy.

Dan
 
ElrondHubbard said:
Given that RSD is now in progress, Metrolinx and/or the TTC will now finally have hard data on travel times. I for one am just dying to see the numbers.

But will I? Die, I mean, before I or any member of the public see those numbers, once the thing actually opens? I’m not saying that will happen. But it would be fully consistent with their record so far.
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Toronto has the Open Data portal where various types of TTC data may be found. It would make good sense to include end-to-end travel times. I don't know if those will be included. If not then with some effort they could be computed from the reported delays and published schedules.
 
smallspy said:
In testing, it does.


In testing, it does not.

21 minutes seems to be a consistent number to go from Leslie to Kennedy.

Dan
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21 minutes for the under and above ground section respectively for a total of ~42 minutes with no passengers but with a simulated dwell time for passenger movement, correct me if I am wrong. I can't help but expect the real world conditions to be slower than 42 minutes in testing. 21 minutes to travel 8km implies an average speed of 22.85km/h above ground. Given how weak the signal priority is, I'll believe it when I see it.

steamed-apple_juice:
"boarding and alighting an LRT will take longer than the subway due to door placement and internal circulation"
 
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