[hawc]

As long as the bisons can get from the north side safely across to graze on the south side.

 

[crs1026]

As long as the bisons can get from the north side safely across to graze on the south side.

No, it's the racoons that Toronto needs to give priority....let Winnipeg deal with the Bison.

Seriously, if one of the things we accept when planning LRT is that a street becomes uncrossable, we are making bad decisions.... especially if we plan to develop the street with high density. There's a lot of "cuts both ways" here... if crossing alternatives are too limited, we are creating the hazard.... but if we provide some reasonable standard, then people who don't make the effort to use them may lose our sympathy somewhat. I won't take a firm and hard position, but my gut says Eglinton isn't in the sweet spot yet.... and Finch has at least the same room for improvement. Hopefully we wake up and deal with this before more incidents happen.

- Paul

 

[Bojaxs]

Adding more traffic lights would not be a problem if they were set up to give priority to the trains. We can have a traffic light every 100 meters as long the LRT always has the green light.

Ah jeez! We should have just restarted construction on the Eglinton subway after Mike Harris was voted out. This is ridiculous!

In regards to keeping pedestrians off the track. We could do what Calgary does with the C-train. Just put up jersey barriers dividing the track from the road. It works 100% of the time, keeping both pedestrians and automobiles off the track. Unfortunately though it makes for a rather ugly streetscape.

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[Monarch Butterfly]

Why did the chicken cross the light rail right-of-way?

To get a ride on the LRV.

The chicken shows it is not chicken to ride the subway.

What should P,O.O. do in this case?

 

[goodcitywhenfinished]

Knowing the risk tolerance of the TTC, yeah the Scarborough section of track will be operating at 30km/h pretty soon.

 

[Sauga89]

I would worry more about people jaywalking to and from platforms, rather than about those trying to cross the street between stations. I've never seen anyone jaywalk across Hurontario, but I imagine some people won't wait at the crosswalk for the pedestrian signal.

 

[Bojaxs]

Knowing the risk tolerance of the TTC, yeah the Scarborough section of track will be operating at 30km/h pretty soon.

So how is that going to work? The trains will runs faster in the underground portion, but run slower at the at-grade portion? Will the trains have to run slower in the underground portion in order to match the speed of the above ground portion? Trains in the underground portion will have to wait longer at stations to allow for proper spacing between trains?

30km/h is pretty pitiful. No one should be referring to this line as "rapid" transit. A lot of money was spent for what's essentially a glorified streetcar.

 

[T3G]

So how is that going to work? The trains will runs faster in the underground portion, but run slower at the at-grade portion? Will the trains have to run slower in the underground portion in order to match the speed of the above ground portion? Trains in the underground portion will have to wait longer at stations to allow for proper spacing between trains?

30km/h is pretty pitiful. No one should be referring to this line as "rapid" transit. A lot of money was spent for what's essentially a glorified streetcar.

Slower speeds at one part of a line have never been the cause of bunching, unless the speed restrictions are followed by some vehicles but not others.

Further reading:

Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

How many different types of rolling stock does the city of Toronto require? So now we have to train mechanics to maintain every different type of train, and train drivers to operate every different type of train. Order different parts/ components for all the different rolling stock. What a...

urbantoronto.ca

 

[TOtramz]

Has there been any testing today?
I think normal rapid transit lines are back up and running shortly after the injured people and vehicles are evacuated from the premises....

 

[Steve X]

So how is that going to work? The trains will runs faster in the underground portion, but run slower at the at-grade portion? Will the trains have to run slower in the underground portion in order to match the speed of the above ground portion? Trains in the underground portion will have to wait longer at stations to allow for proper spacing between trains?

30km/h is pretty pitiful. No one should be referring to this line as "rapid" transit. A lot of money was spent for what's essentially a glorified streetcar.

The trains are driven manually on the surface section so they just drive slowly in trouble zones. The trip run time will extend requiring more trains on the line at the same time but headways will remain the same. So they can still operate at 80 km/h in the tunnels and 50/60 km/h elsewhere on the surface.

Are they even doing the allowed 60 on the surface? I don’t remember.

 

[Bojaxs]

Slower speeds at one part of a line have never been the cause of bunching, unless the speed restrictions are followed by some vehicles but not others.

Further reading:

Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

How many different types of rolling stock does the city of Toronto require? So now we have to train mechanics to maintain every different type of train, and train drivers to operate every different type of train. Order different parts/ components for all the different rolling stock. What a...

urbantoronto.ca

But this is what I want to know. Will the underground portion of the line have to slow down to match the at-grade portion of the line?

Also how is spacing between trains going to be affected if you have an eastbound train hitting every red light at the at-grade portion, and there is a train behind them in the underground portion catching up because they have no street lights to adhere to.

 

[Bojaxs]

So they can still operate at 80 km/h in the tunnels and 50/60 km/h elsewhere on the surface.

I don't understand how that can work. How does that not lead to a bunching up of eastbound trains? Particularly around the tunnel portal. Especially when you take streetlights on the surface portion into account.

We have a transit line that effectively acts as a metro/subway for 2/3 of the line, and then the last 1/3 acts as a street car/ LRT. How does that not lead to operational complexities? Particularly around train spacing.

 

[Voltz]

Fences are also a problematic idea because, as pictured upthread, the space between the track and the road is very narrow, and if you ever need to evacuate a train car mid-section, or have the authorities respond to a situation on board a train car... how are they going to get in?

In that case just use the doors on the other side of the LRV.

I do agree with fencing along the ROW, but not so high that they can't be scaled by a determined individual, possibly with a few midblock crossings with refuge islands on either side of the ROW. And on that I would have liked a pedestrian and bike underpass near Jonesville Crescent for the Meadowway corridor.

 

[T3G]

But this is what I want to know. Will the underground portion of the line have to slow down to match the at-grade portion of the line?

No. If all cars are subjected to the same speed conditions, they should all take an equal amount of time to complete their journey.

Also how is spacing between trains going to be affected if you have an eastbound train hitting every red light at the at-grade portion, and there is a train behind them in the underground portion catching up because they have no street lights to adhere to.

When the car in the underground portion reaches the surface section, it, too, will be subjected to traffic lights, thus naturally maintaining distancing between the trains.

 

[zang]

Or even what they do in Kitchener-Waterloo, where there are gates and audible warning signals that sound when a train approaches. Putting up a wall would just make an already pedestrian hostile landscape more unpleasant to traverse.

The implementation of the Ion has been terrible. Bad enough that someone created a site to literally count every interaction with traffic/bikes/pedestrians:

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