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It is a milestone, but let’s not forget the TTC has its own history of issues. People here are quick to criticize Metrolinx, but the TTC isn’t necessarily more efficient — just differently flawed. True. TTC mises construction timelines but when they open a new line or extension they tend to...
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Item - 2025.TTC6.14 to be considered by the Toronto Transit Commission board on June 23, 2025. Considered "confidential". See https://secure.toronto.ca/council/agenda-item.do?item=2025.TTC6.14 TTC6.14 - Provincial LRT Program - Line 5 Eglinton Update Consideration Type: ACTION...
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From the Board Meeting's live stream this afternoon.
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From the Board Meeting's live stream this afternoon.
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Please. Enough...
 
TOtramz said:
According to CEO Lindsay, trial running has already started and the reason why we haven't seen more trains is because the trains are really old and not reliable enough. But I think he said substantial completion possible by the end of September
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so the trains are really old and not reliable enough before the line even opens?! and he made it sound like less than a concern?
 
T3G said:
???

How can trains that were built from 2018-2021 and have never been used in revenue service be "really" old?

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I guess trains rust when sitting idling for years lol. So the useful life joke is not really a joke after all. Is this the equipment issue they have been talking about?
 
Here's the full quote:
As planned and as expected, we're in the middle of serious trial running of the system right now. Every day, well before 6:00 a.m., our partners at the TTC turn up to drive these vehicles and put them through their paces until 2 in the morning. And as at late July, TTC personnel are also now showing up at Eglinton stations to put the non- rolling stock infrastructure through its paces too. Escalators, elevators, HVAC systems, etc.

What we are finding out from this deliberate period of stress testing is that one of the issues to address collectively is vehicle availability and reliability. These vehicles are 10 years old. They're only just now beginning to run the kilometers that were intended for revenue service. And as we do that, we find out what their maintenance profile is. We get a better picture of how to keep them in service so that we can build the availability of vehicles to a level that can meet peak capacity.

We're hoping that we're a few weeks away from being able to say that we've got that kind of availability and reliability. We will then trigger the revenue service demonstration test that I mentioned last time. 30 days of running at revenue service in order to demonstrate that this system is safe and reliable when it opens.

If that works, then we will declare substantial completion of the project towards the end of September. And then we will work with both the government of Ontario and the TTC to think about progressive ramp up of service on Eglinton, itself a recommendation from Justice Hourigan's Ottawa LRT inquiry report.

So I just want to conclude by saying we are 100% doing this in partnership with the TTC. My personal thanks and that of my organization to Mandeep and his team each and every morning starting as I say sort of at 6:00 a.m. I can promise you that both CEOs of both organizations are thinking about the plan for the day, what it's going to reveal and what it means that we do tomorrow.

Reporter: So September is not off the table for a public opening?

Sir, as I told you last time, everything is dependent upon safety and reliability. I am happy that we are discovering right now the things that have to be fixed before we open this line as opposed to discovering them when the line is open. Every problem that we find today and correct in partnership with the TTC is one that will not present itself when people are riding this. It is not off the table, sir, but as I told you last time, it's always subject to making sure that the system is safe and reliable when we open.
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So TLDR:
- They are "stress testing" vehicles and addressing availability and reliability
- RSD has not started and is a few weeks away
- 30 days of RSD, then substantial completion at end of September. Then "progressive ramp up" of service

 
eglinton1661 said:
Here's the full quote:


So TLDR:
- They are "stress testing" vehicles and addressing availability and reliability
- RSD has not started and is a few weeks away
- 30 days of RSD, then substantial completion at end of September. Then "progressive ramp up" of service

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That quote sounds like the ttc are only finding now how often each part needs service?
As if that wasnt available information before?
 
generalcanada said:
That quote sounds like the ttc are only finding now how often each part needs service?
As if that wasnt available information before?
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and thats why we SUCK at building large transit projects. all of this couldve been done concurrently before ML handover but whoever made the schedule insisted on running consecutively, hence wasting more time....
 
Shouldn't there already be pretty readily available maintenence info for all parts of the project? TTC has already been operating slightly different flexitys for a while even if Crosslinx is handling maintenance they could share strategies
 
Allandale25 said:
This article specifically says Lindsay said they are 10 years old, so that would be 2015.

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Eglinton Crosstown LRT vehicle 'availability and reliability' latest issue to face line before launch

Metrolinx CEO Michael Lindsay said crews are figuring out the 'maintenance profile' of the 10-year-old Eglinton Crosstown LRT vehicles.
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They are not 10 years old, he's exaggerating for sure. As of early 2019, they only had a small handful of LRVs.

As per CPTDB:
"The first LRV was expected to be delivered in November, with another five delivered by February 2019.[13] Metrolinx received the first LRV in January 2019, and by May, had taken delivery of six. On May 22, 2019, Metrolinx held a media event to showcase the new LRVs (unit 6201 was featured)."

I think the majority of the vehicles were delivered between 2019-2021.
 
duffo said:
They are not 10 years old, he's exaggerating for sure. As of early 2019, they only had a small handful of LRVs.

As per CPTDB:
"The first LRV was expected to be delivered in November, with another five delivered by February 2019.[13] Metrolinx received the first LRV in January 2019, and by May, had taken delivery of six. On May 22, 2019, Metrolinx held a media event to showcase the new LRVs (unit 6201 was featured)."

I think the majority of the vehicles were delivered between 2019-2021.
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At that time, we were worried that Toronto would not be getting the whole fleet of light rail cars in time for the opening of Line 5 in 2020. Turned out the last delivery of the Flexity Freedom car did not matter.
 
Yeah, I don't buy that 10 year figure, its probably just a generalization. It sounds like whst you'd expect, the TTC is stress testing everything and ensuring it works so thst it can run operationally well and safely. Still, there just seems like theres been a lot of redundancy behind the scenes that's hobbled the opening of this...alongside a host of other things.
 
duffo said:
They are not 10 years old, he's exaggerating for sure. As of early 2019, they only had a small handful of LRVs.

As per CPTDB:
"The first LRV was expected to be delivered in November, with another five delivered by February 2019.[13] Metrolinx received the first LRV in January 2019, and by May, had taken delivery of six. On May 22, 2019, Metrolinx held a media event to showcase the new LRVs (unit 6201 was featured)."

I think the majority of the vehicles were delivered between 2019-2021.
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Maybe he means the first one. This was November 27, 2016 in Thunday Bay when the pilot vehicle was moved out of the plant. Any insights @smallspy ?

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