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APTA-2048 said:
Perhaps that’s the prototype LRV that’s still in Millhaven and not part of the Crosstown fleet?
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@drum118 any insights?

There is a thread that may have some delivery history. It hasn't been updated in a few years for the Crosstown LRVs, though.

Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs

I am loathe to defend Metrolinx as I find their methods of doing just about anything deeply detestable, but why is their picking of a vehicle that was already in use a problem? Isn't that the advantage of building LRTs to standard gauge and voltage ratings, that they can grab something off the...
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APTA-2048 said:
Perhaps that’s the prototype LRV that’s still in Millhaven and not part of the Crosstown fleet?
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I'll just add that I wonder how long it was between the prototype and next vehicle. I think the Waterloo LRVs were being made at the same time and it's the same model.
 
Allandale25 said:
@drum118 any insights?

There is a thread that may have some delivery history. It hasn't been updated in a few years for the Crosstown LRVs, though.

Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs

I am loathe to defend Metrolinx as I find their methods of doing just about anything deeply detestable, but why is their picking of a vehicle that was already in use a problem? Isn't that the advantage of building LRTs to standard gauge and voltage ratings, that they can grab something off the...
toronto.skyrisecities.com toronto.skyrisecities.com
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From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/bombardier-court-injunction-1.3976771
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Not sure if test car here means prototype or first production car.
 
Monarch Butterfly said:
At that time, we were worried that Toronto would not be getting the whole fleet of light rail cars in time for the opening of Line 5 in 2020. Turned out the last delivery of the Flexity Freedom car did not matter.
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And they spent a few hundred million to switch part of the LRV order to Alstom, out of a self imposed panic to need to be seen to do something about the delays with the TTC cars.
 
T3G said:
???

How can trains that were built from 2018-2021 and have never been used in revenue service be "really" old?

??????
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ML claims they are 10 years old. BBD did store them for years cause there wasn’t a yard to deliver to till 2019. So the oldest cars could be that old.
 
I used to joke about the cars outlasting their warranties and useful life — turns out, it wasn’t a joke after all.. :(:mad:
 
Voltz said:
And they spent a few hundred million to switch part of the LRV order to Alstom, out of a self imposed panic to need to be seen to do something about the delays with the TTC cars.
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Except that Alstom acquired Bombardier Transportation, the rail division of Bombardier Inc., in 2021. So they are the same company today.
 
Allandale25 said:
@drum118 any insights?

There is a thread that may have some delivery history. It hasn't been updated in a few years for the Crosstown LRVs, though.

Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs

I am loathe to defend Metrolinx as I find their methods of doing just about anything deeply detestable, but why is their picking of a vehicle that was already in use a problem? Isn't that the advantage of building LRTs to standard gauge and voltage ratings, that they can grab something off the...
toronto.skyrisecities.com toronto.skyrisecities.com
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Allandale25 said:
@drum118 any insights?

There is a thread that may have some delivery history. It hasn't been updated in a few years for the Crosstown LRVs, though.

Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs

I am loathe to defend Metrolinx as I find their methods of doing just about anything deeply detestable, but why is their picking of a vehicle that was already in use a problem? Isn't that the advantage of building LRTs to standard gauge and voltage ratings, that they can grab something off the...
toronto.skyrisecities.com toronto.skyrisecities.com
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Never follow ML order for Crosstown LRV and it most likely the first car for the line. As to why ML refused it, needs to be asked of ML or those in the know.

I know the plant was enlarge to deal with TTC order that turn out to cause more problem for both plants that only a few TTC cars were bult there.

Then there was the KW cars and the Edmonton that were built there.

The first Hurontario car was sent there to deal with the Ottawa cars issues since they are the same type of car until Alstom stop dealing with the bogies. Maybe why the guideway tracks have been torn up and being rebuilt going to/from the OMSF complex now along with Topflight wye intersection..
 
Steve X said:
ML claims they are 10 years old. BBD did store them for years cause there wasn’t a yard to deliver to till 2019. So the oldest cars could be that old.
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Perhaps, but that would only constitute a handful of them.

It wouldn't surprise me if this language was the result either of hyperbole, or being just plain ill informed. But language matters, and I for one am certainly not looking forward to all the ill informed hot takes about how we got a glorified streetcar line using "really" old rolling stock.

And maybe we should rethink our approach of not covering over our rail yards. There is really no reason why a brand new facility being built from scratch couldn't be covered over.
 
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