[Monarch Butterfly]

And they spent a few hundred million to switch part of the LRV order to Alstom, out of a self imposed panic to need to be seen to do something about the delays with the TTC cars.

Except that Alstom acquired Bombardier Transportation, the rail division of Bombardier Inc., in 2021. So they are the same company today.

 

[drum118]

@drum118 any insights?

There is a thread that may have some delivery history. It hasn't been updated in a few years for the Crosstown LRVs, though.

Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs

I am loathe to defend Metrolinx as I find their methods of doing just about anything deeply detestable, but why is their picking of a vehicle that was already in use a problem? Isn't that the advantage of building LRTs to standard gauge and voltage ratings, that they can grab something off the...

toronto.skyrisecities.com

@drum118 any insights?

There is a thread that may have some delivery history. It hasn't been updated in a few years for the Crosstown LRVs, though.

Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs

I am loathe to defend Metrolinx as I find their methods of doing just about anything deeply detestable, but why is their picking of a vehicle that was already in use a problem? Isn't that the advantage of building LRTs to standard gauge and voltage ratings, that they can grab something off the...

toronto.skyrisecities.com

Never follow ML order for Crosstown LRV and it most likely the first car for the line. As to why ML refused it, needs to be asked of ML or those in the know.

I know the plant was enlarge to deal with TTC order that turn out to cause more problem for both plants that only a few TTC cars were bult there.

Then there was the KW cars and the Edmonton that were built there.

The first Hurontario car was sent there to deal with the Ottawa cars issues since they are the same type of car until Alstom stop dealing with the bogies. Maybe why the guideway tracks have been torn up and being rebuilt going to/from the OMSF complex now along with Topflight wye intersection..

 

[T3G]

ML claims they are 10 years old. BBD did store them for years cause there wasn’t a yard to deliver to till 2019. So the oldest cars could be that old.

Perhaps, but that would only constitute a handful of them.

It wouldn't surprise me if this language was the result either of hyperbole, or being just plain ill informed. But language matters, and I for one am certainly not looking forward to all the ill informed hot takes about how we got a glorified streetcar line using "really" old rolling stock.

And maybe we should rethink our approach of not covering over our rail yards. There is really no reason why a brand new facility being built from scratch couldn't be covered over.

 

[Voltz]

Except that Alstom acquired Bombardier Transportation, the rail division of Bombardier Inc., in 2021. So they are the same company today.

That didn’t negate the substantial per unit cost increase

 

[toronto647]

The least they can do is have the courage to let the public know this project is delayed until 2026 so all the speculation (and betting) stops.

Now everyday citizens are going to lose tons of $ betting on the line opening and the house will win majority of the $. Majority of these people are people who can't afford to lose money over betting when the LRT will open. So not only are we being deprived of riding the EG LRT, Torontonians are losing potentially millions of dollars on the line opening through betting platforms and this in turn will impact their quality of life and standard of living. Who knew the far reaching implications of this delay.

Very sad

 

[unrealestate]

The least they can do is have the courage to let the public know this project is delayed until 2026 so all the speculation (and betting) stops.

Now everyday citizens are going to lose tons of $ betting on the line opening and the house will win majority of the $. Majority of these people are people who can't afford to lose money over betting when the LRT will open. So not only are we being deprived of riding the EG LRT, Torontonians are losing potentially millions of dollars on the line opening through betting platforms and this in turn will impact their quality of life and standard of living. Who knew the far reaching implications of this delay.

Very sad

Please be sarcastic

 

[ThenWhat]

What does -280 mean? If you win, you lose? If the answer is post October, everyone who bets, loses? I don't know anything about betting.

If you bet $10 and LRT opens on or after November 1st, you win $3.57. Looks like easy money to me. But you'd better be quick. Fanduel will have to update the odds if they still want to come ahead on this.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

For comparison purposes, TTC buses were once considered middle aged at 8-10 years, are now seen as elderly. So the new LRVs are already middle-aged if they were buses. The LRVs should have a lifespan of 30+ years.

 

[T3G]

For comparison purposes, TTC buses were once considered middle aged at 8-10 years, are now seen as elderly. So the new LRVs are already middle-aged if they were buses. The LRVs should have a lifespan of 30+ years.

But they're not buses, so I don't really see the point of this comparison.

Also, 8-10 is a highly inaccurate age range for the cars to begin with. The last ones were delivered in 2022!!

Also, it's really hard to evaluate what the typical lifespan of a vehicle should be if it spends several years sitting around waiting for construction to finish.

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

For comparison purposes, TTC buses were once considered middle aged at 8-10 years, are now seen as elderly. So the new LRVs are already middle-aged if they were buses. The LRVs should have a lifespan of 30+ years.

The reason for that change had more to do with the availability of funds for replacement than anything else. Back when the TTC was experiencing massive ridership growth, there wasn't enough money to purchase all new buses to handle the growth so instead they invested in heavy rebuilds of the "Classic" and "New Look" GM/MCI buses so that they wouldn't have to purchase so many new buses. When they finally retired the last of them, many were 30 years old or approaching that age. Rail vehicles tend to have much longer expected lives than buses simply because most of the parts that need replacing regularly aren't unique to the make or model of vehicle.

 

[PL1]

Interesting "Maps test" seen at the main entrance to Leaside Station this morning... Clearly the map is showing Keelsdale.

 

[Rainforest]

Also, it's really hard to evaluate what the typical lifespan of a vehicle should be if it spends several years sitting around waiting for construction to finish.

A reasonable guess, the vehicle ages slower when it is not in active use, but it still ages somewhat. The rate of aging should be in the range of 35% - 50% of the active-use rate of aging.

In case of ECLRT vehicles, the aging is not critical at this point, but is not negligible and needs to be accounted for in the long-term fleet replacement plans.

 

[cplchanb]

no testing today but at least the don valley semi permanent bus loop is finished

 

[A 6264]

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no testing today but at least the don valley semi permanent bus loop is finished

I'm presuming the bas bays behind the fence on the right, will open up for use. It does look like there's a waiting area at the far left. Based on the reason for this loop, I don't see a reason to not use the bus bays. Please, let us stand inside the station while waiting for the bus, in winter!

 

[Natika33]

I'm presuming the bas bays behind the fence on the right, will open up for use. It does look like there's a waiting area at the far left. Based on the reason for this loop, I don't see a reason to not use the bus bays. Please, let us stand inside the station while waiting for the bus, in winter!

The door to the station on the east side has the Don Valley signage & no "do not enter" signs, while the opposite is true for the west side. Presumably this means customers will be able to access the station from the east side.