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Again for those in the back.
this is a FIXED PRICE contract.

Outside of the public lawsuits. there is no extra money for crosslinx. They have been burning extra cash from 2022 onwards. SNC lavalin, AECON and ELLIS DON are losing money on this project

"Fixed price" is a bit of political theatre and is a fantasy. Don't assume that is the case behind the firewall.

The outcome of litigation may never be disclosed, especially if the claim is settled out of court. The public may never know.

- Paul
 
Surely TTC has been measuring many things during these trial/testing/demonstration/etc runs.

So: Does anybody with inside connections know what the actual (average) measured time is for the train to get from end to end? Or end to end to end around the loop, back at Mount Dennis?
 
"Fixed price" is a bit of political theatre and is a fantasy. Don't assume that is the case behind the firewall.

The outcome of litigation may never be disclosed, especially if the claim is settled out of court. The public may never know.

- Paul
no they did disclose it
 
"Fixed price" is a bit of political theatre and is a fantasy. Don't assume that is the case behind the firewall.

The outcome of litigation may never be disclosed, especially if the claim is settled out of court. The public may never know.
But it managed to secure a 2021 opening date - only 7 months late! 🤣
 
I'm not sure if the Moody's reports have ever been discussed here (actually double checked and I posted an update from Moodys in here in May 2023) but they are probably the closest thing we'll get to actual public knowledge. They are issued annually. I have asked chat-gpt to summarize since 2019 and I will also post the latest once from May:

YearRating & OutlookProject StatusKey Risks / IssuesFinancial & Contractual Highlights
2019 (Y1)Baa2 stableConstruction progressing; permitting & utility issues settledTight schedule; complexity may cause delays/cost overrunsLiquidity supports 18-month delay; limited third-party security; availability payments in ops phase
2020 (Y2)Baa2 stableConstruction ongoing; Sept 2021 SC target at riskUnresolved claims with Province/Metrolinx; COVID-19 disrupts acceleration; risk of material delayLiquidity buffer intact; DBJV credit quality at risk if costs escalate
2021 (Y3 pre-downgrade)Baa2 (still)SC beyond Sept 2021 likely; delays mountingNo agreement on supervening events; DBJV bearing costs without compensation; COVID restrictions limit mitigationsLong stop date offers cushion; liquidity still supports 18-month delay
2023 (Y3 downgrade)Downgraded to Baa3; outlook stable99% complete; major works done; testing/commissioning & operator agreement outstandingMissed Feb 2023 SC; unresolved claims strain relationships; DBJV paying LDs & extra costsCredit facility extended to Sept 2024; long stop date Aug 2024; experienced DBJV members provide resilience
2024 (Y4)Baa3 stable (unchanged)99.9% complete; testing, commissioning, training underway; RSD pendingDelays persist; unresolved claims; LDs continue until PALDAug 2023 agreement: Province/Metrolinx milestone-based cash flow support; PALD revised (extension discussions ongoing)
2025 (Y5)Baa3 stable (unchanged)Still 99.9% complete; driver training schedule set; trial running → RSD → SC pathway definedContinued testing/commissioning delays; unresolved claims; LDs continue; PALD extension under discussionMar 2025 variation renews milestone-based cash flow support; SC payment to repay construction facility

Toronto, May 26, 2025 -- Moody's Ratings (Moody's) has completed a periodic review of the ratings of Crosslinx Transit Solutions Gen. Partnership and other ratings that are associated with this issuer.

The review was conducted through a rating committee held on 22 May 2025 in which we reassessed the appropriateness of the ratings in the context of the relevant principal methodology(ies), and recent developments.

This publication does not announce a credit rating action and is not an indication of whether or not a credit rating action is likely in the near future. Please see the Issuer page on https://ratings.moodys.com for the most updated credit rating action information and rating history.

Key Rating considerations and rationale are summarized below.

Crosslinx Transit Solutions Gen. Partnership's (ProjectCo) ratings, including its senior secured Baa3 rating and stable outlook, remain unchanged. The project (Eglinton Crosstown Light Rail Transit) still faces delays, but is 99.9% complete and the project parties have a path towards for reaching substantial completion (SC) to start operations. Delays are largely attributable to testing and commissioning including additional operator driver training, but a clear schedule for the additional training is in place after which the trial running will occur, followed by Revenue Service Demonstration (RSD) and SC. The SC payment will be used repay the senior construction facility among other costs following a holdback period.

A variation was signed by the parties in March 2025 under which the Province of Ontario (Aa3 stable) and Metrolinx (together, the contracting authority or CA) are providing cash flow support based on milestones achieved to Project Co (passed through to the construction contractor) to facilitate the achievement of SC. Discussions are currently ongoing to extend the Project Agreement Longstop Date ("PALD").

The construction contractor continues to pay liquidated damages (LDs), payable until the PALD. While ProjectCo and the CA have yet to reach a timely settlement on the outstanding material supervening claims made by ProjectCo, these matters will be settled after the project becomes operational.

During the operating phase, ProjectCo will be required to maintain the overall system, including the vehicles, but is not required to operate the system. It will not be exposed to any material ridership risk as its revenues will come from the CA's availability payments. All the maintenance and most of the rehabilitation obligations have been sub-contracted to a company (the Service Provider), in which affiliates of the equity sponsors each have a 25% share, for the duration of the project agreement. The sponsors have extensive experience constructing and maintaining transit systems.


I dont believe you could hide reporting a major problem like a foundation/leaking issue at Eglinton from these.
 
I'm not sure if the Moody's reports have ever been discussed here (actually double checked and I posted an update from Moodys in here in May 2023) but they are probably the closest thing we'll get to actual public knowledge. They are issued annually. I have asked chat-gpt to summarize since 2019 and I will also post the latest once from May:

YearRating & OutlookProject StatusKey Risks / IssuesFinancial & Contractual Highlights
2019 (Y1)Baa2 stableConstruction progressing; permitting & utility issues settledTight schedule; complexity may cause delays/cost overrunsLiquidity supports 18-month delay; limited third-party security; availability payments in ops phase
2020 (Y2)Baa2 stableConstruction ongoing; Sept 2021 SC target at riskUnresolved claims with Province/Metrolinx; COVID-19 disrupts acceleration; risk of material delayLiquidity buffer intact; DBJV credit quality at risk if costs escalate
2021 (Y3 pre-downgrade)Baa2 (still)SC beyond Sept 2021 likely; delays mountingNo agreement on supervening events; DBJV bearing costs without compensation; COVID restrictions limit mitigationsLong stop date offers cushion; liquidity still supports 18-month delay
2023 (Y3 downgrade)Downgraded to Baa3; outlook stable99% complete; major works done; testing/commissioning & operator agreement outstandingMissed Feb 2023 SC; unresolved claims strain relationships; DBJV paying LDs & extra costsCredit facility extended to Sept 2024; long stop date Aug 2024; experienced DBJV members provide resilience
2024 (Y4)Baa3 stable (unchanged)99.9% complete; testing, commissioning, training underway; RSD pendingDelays persist; unresolved claims; LDs continue until PALDAug 2023 agreement: Province/Metrolinx milestone-based cash flow support; PALD revised (extension discussions ongoing)
2025 (Y5)Baa3 stable (unchanged)Still 99.9% complete; driver training schedule set; trial running → RSD → SC pathway definedContinued testing/commissioning delays; unresolved claims; LDs continue; PALD extension under discussionMar 2025 variation renews milestone-based cash flow support; SC payment to repay construction facility

Toronto, May 26, 2025 -- Moody's Ratings (Moody's) has completed a periodic review of the ratings of Crosslinx Transit Solutions Gen. Partnership and other ratings that are associated with this issuer.

The review was conducted through a rating committee held on 22 May 2025 in which we reassessed the appropriateness of the ratings in the context of the relevant principal methodology(ies), and recent developments.

This publication does not announce a credit rating action and is not an indication of whether or not a credit rating action is likely in the near future. Please see the Issuer page on https://ratings.moodys.com for the most updated credit rating action information and rating history.

Key Rating considerations and rationale are summarized below.

Crosslinx Transit Solutions Gen. Partnership's (ProjectCo) ratings, including its senior secured Baa3 rating and stable outlook, remain unchanged. The project (Eglinton Crosstown Light Rail Transit) still faces delays, but is 99.9% complete and the project parties have a path towards for reaching substantial completion (SC) to start operations. Delays are largely attributable to testing and commissioning including additional operator driver training, but a clear schedule for the additional training is in place after which the trial running will occur, followed by Revenue Service Demonstration (RSD) and SC. The SC payment will be used repay the senior construction facility among other costs following a holdback period.

A variation was signed by the parties in March 2025 under which the Province of Ontario (Aa3 stable) and Metrolinx (together, the contracting authority or CA) are providing cash flow support based on milestones achieved to Project Co (passed through to the construction contractor) to facilitate the achievement of SC. Discussions are currently ongoing to extend the Project Agreement Longstop Date ("PALD").

The construction contractor continues to pay liquidated damages (LDs), payable until the PALD. While ProjectCo and the CA have yet to reach a timely settlement on the outstanding material supervening claims made by ProjectCo, these matters will be settled after the project becomes operational.

During the operating phase, ProjectCo will be required to maintain the overall system, including the vehicles, but is not required to operate the system. It will not be exposed to any material ridership risk as its revenues will come from the CA's availability payments. All the maintenance and most of the rehabilitation obligations have been sub-contracted to a company (the Service Provider), in which affiliates of the equity sponsors each have a 25% share, for the duration of the project agreement. The sponsors have extensive experience constructing and maintaining transit systems.


I dont believe you could hide reporting a major problem like a foundation/leaking issue at Eglinton from these.
at this rate we need a whistleblower to expose the true nature of the delays. not even a FoIA request was able to turn up any relevant documents.
 
at this rate we need a whistleblower to expose the true nature of the delays. not even a FoIA request was able to turn up any relevant documents.
Councillors Colle and Fletcher on several occasions have commented there’s water down there and that the tunnel is sinking, what more could you possibly want?!
 
While ProjectCo and the CA have yet to reach a timely settlement on the outstanding material supervening claims made by ProjectCo, these matters will be settled after the project becomes operational.

I read this to say there is plenty of room for further settlements in favour of the Projectco, ergo no fixed price actually in place.

- Paul
 
Councillors Colle and Fletcher on several occasions have commented there’s water down there and that the tunnel is sinking, what more could you possibly want?!
Because, you know, City councillors are known to be geological experts....

Water ingress is a thing, yes. It's a thing with most tunnels in this City for a number of different reasons but largely because of the high water table that exists throughout the City. Sinking, however, is not.

Dan
 
Because, you know, City councillors are known to be geological experts....

Water ingress is a thing, yes. It's a thing with most tunnels in this City for a number of different reasons but largely because of the high water table that exists throughout the City. Sinking, however, is not.

Dan
Yes, it was a joke
 

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