[Monarch Butterfly]

The above image is the current location where the 164 CASTLEFIELD bus will go. The below image shows where the 164 CASTLEFIELD bus could be when Line 5 opens in September the fall. The KEELESDALE STATION is fenced off, but couldn't the TTC make use of the loop NOW, today and run the 164 CASTLEFIELD bus. Use the KEELESDALE STATION bus bay and let passengers walk to the bus stops at Keele & Eglinton. They are likely doing "test" runs of bus routes to try out the route currently. So why not actually use the bus stops along the route?

 

[bearcat]

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The above image is the current location where the 164 CASTLEFIELD bus will go. The below image shows where the 164 CASTLEFIELD bus could be when Line 5 opens in September the fall. The KEELESDALE STATION is fenced off, but couldn't the TTC make use of the loop NOW, today and run the 164 CASTLEFIELD bus. Use the KEELESDALE STATION bus bay and let passengers walk to the bus stops at Keele & Eglinton. They are likely doing "test" runs of bus routes to try out the route currently. So why not actually use the bus stops along the route?

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I assume it's some legal reason, that Metrolinx has to hand over the line as a whole to the TTC and not it parts.

 

[A 6264]

Now there's a name I haven't heard in ages. I didn't realize it was still around.

I have a lot of stuff on my computer that isn't "still around"!

 

[A 6264]

I would assume the concern is more so the possibility of lawsuits, rather than PR issues. North Americans love to blame anyone but themselves when they get injured or inconvenienced due to their own stupidity.

I suspect it's not lawsuits, so much as insurance. If an insurance company says, "we won't cover you if you do that", then you don't do that.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Betting that the Gordie Howe International Bridge will open first before the Eglinton Line 5.

They're removing the cranes on the bridge as we write...

 

[Steve X]

I suspect it's not lawsuits, so much as insurance. If an insurance company says, "we won't cover you if you do that", then you don't do that.

I’m pretty sure the “insurance company” you are referring to is the taxpayers.

 

[nfitz]

I suspect it's not lawsuits, so much as insurance. If an insurance company says, "we won't cover you if you do that", then you don't do that.

Is the TTC no longer self-insured?

 

[crs1026]

So, what would prevent a decision to operate say during rush hours only? Continue testing in non revenue hours ?

- Paul

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

Is the TTC no longer self-insured?

The TTC is insured by TTC Insurance Company Limited, and as of 2022 the City of Toronto's automobile insurance is provided by TTC ICL.

 

[toonderly]

So, what would prevent a decision to operate say during rush hours only? Continue testing in non revenue hours ?

That feels like the wrong question to me. The decision to move from test to production in a rational system would be based on whether all critical and high priority defects have been resolved. If something is not fit for production that should mean it is too risky to be released to the public, and letting the public use it in rush hour would be even worse than letting them use it during lower volume periods which would itself also be bad.

One thing that creates confusion for us in this case is the lead time that the TTC apparently needs after the handover before opening. If there are things that have to be fixed before the handover can happen and can't be fixed after the handover and before opening then I think the question I would have is whether that is a real risk or just a consequence of contracts and procedures and so on.

 

[nfitz]

The TTC is insured by TTC Insurance Company Limited, and as of 2022 the City of Toronto's automobile insurance is provided by TTC ICL.

I wonder who owns the TTC ICL.

 

[canucks2030]

So ....we were led to believe that a handover happened like a month ago....now the opening date might happen "sometime this fall".

Where there's smoke there's fire and the smoke is telling me metrolinx cannot be trusted.

Fall start in September., if it open in the fall everybody should be happy.

 

[A 6264]

I wonder who owns the TTC ICL.

Google sez: "TTC Insurance Company Limited (TTCICL), a subsidiary of Toronto Coach Terminal Inc., which is ultimately owned by the TTC"
Which isn't surprising. I know it sounds odd that they pay dividends to themselves, and then pay claims back to themselves (or make excuses to themselves for not paying out to themselves!), but that's often how insurance works in industry.

 

[MegaSea]

Fall start in September., if it open in the fall everybody should be happy.

This will never happen, because TTC just want our subway worst than North Korea subway
You can see in station celling this

 

[toonderly]

CP24 is reporting that the Ministry of Transportation says "In June we formally transferred operations of the line to the TTC. As we have said, we are targeting September for an opening date."