TOtramz
Active Member
Any indication that the dates line up for a September opening?
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fanoftoronto
Senior Member
I had to use the waybackmachine to look up the factsheet as the website is now rerouting elsewhere.
Let's say it's 40 minutes end to end, this will give an average speed of 28.5km/h for the entire line. This means that one train will take 1 hour 20 minutes to complete one roundtrip journey. Having all 28 trains running at the same time, it will give an hourly throughput at any given station of 21 trains yielding a frequency of 2 minutes 51 seconds. Round it up to 3 minutes to account for other factors. Pretty respectable if you think about it.
Max capacity at opening day of roughly 8,000 pphpd!
Please feel free to correct my math if there are any errors!
evandyk
Senior Member
Someone told my wife there would be trains every 90 seconds. I told her I didn't think that was right and it would be more like 2.5 to 3 minutes. Guess my hunch was close enough 
jordanmkasla2009
Active Member
Trains every 90 seconds is the plan for the Ontario Line.Someone told my wife there would be trains every 90 seconds. I told her I didn't think that was right and it would be more like 2.5 to 3 minutes. Guess my hunch was close enough
hw621
Senior Member
I doubt we will see that kind of frequency, especially on the ground section, due to signals, cars blocking intersections, accidents and all...Someone told my wife there would be trains every 90 seconds. I told her I didn't think that was right and it would be more like 2.5 to 3 minutes. Guess my hunch was close enough
robmausser
Senior Member
I don't think its something Metrolinx wanted or is particularly fond of.
robmausser
Senior Member
If all goes well, yes. This gives enough time for the TTC burn in, barring no major issues.
chrisw
Active Member
TheStar quotes it as Today or Tomorrow. Maybe it's happening tomorrow.
“Major milestones have been met,” Lindsay said at a press conference to announce the groundbreaking of the East Harbour Transit Hub. “As of today or tomorrow, movement of trains on the line is actually governed by the TTC, as it will be when the line is in revenue service.”
Wm Perkins Bull
Active Member
The 2000 passengers per hour per direction limitation for mixed operation buses is structurally flawed because it assumes only 40ft buses and they make buses longer than 40ft. The City of Toronto owns a number of them and if you are running a bus more often than every 7.5 minutes they are a very obvious thing to use. In practice, Brampton Transit regularly sees crushloading on articulated buses in excess of 90 people, and it can exceed 100 people. You do not in fact want crushloading of buses or LRVs because it results in extended dwell times. That said, an articulated bus can comfortably handle around 75 people without protracted dwell times, which would bump mixed traffic capacity to 3000 people per hour per direction.
afransen
Senior Member
I think the only way to achieve it without bunching is to short turn trains for the underground section.
I imagine that they will have some trains out of service at all times as spares or for maintenance, so I would guess headways will be in the 3.5 to 4 minute range at best.
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
They wouldn't run all 28 though, you need spares, and some will always be undergoing routine maintenance. What's the realistic max frequency?
Northern Light
Superstar
The TTC loading standard for Artics is 77 passengers.
Service every 2 minutes, which I would call ambitious is 30 buses per hour, that's a base of 2,310 pph, of course, there is turnover, which would inflate that number.
Smiffy
Active Member
If this is a full trial run, I would gladly volunteer to be a trial passenger!
jordanmkasla2009
Active Member
Metrolinx ordered 76 individual vehicles for Line 5 while it was being built. With those 76 vehicles being arranged in trains of 2 vehicles each that makes 38 trains. 28 are being used on the line leaving 10 spare trains or 20 spare vehicles.
ThenWhat
New Member
Or, if you don't want to use their promises, you can plug in your own expectation about the speed at which the trains will move (including the dwell time at the stations). The loop is 38 km, so with 28 trains the average distance between trains is about 1.36 km. On average, that 1.36 km distance includes 1 station. The interval between trains, on average, will be dwell time in 1 station + time it takes to cover 1.36 km (while stopping at red lights at intersections). This is all averages of course, there no intersections underground.
Not sure what the top speed will be. My guess for the average speed would be something like one third or one half of the top speed.