Cyrobyte
New Member
This is going to cause so many service disruptions
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Voltz
Senior Member
This is why I'd like to see short railway crossing arms for the left turn lanes on Eglinton, but even here where left turns aren't even allowed, wouldn't have made a difference.
bearcat
Active Member
Would automatic enforcement with a camera help? Or even be allowed by law?
nfitz
Superstar
I'm not sure about being well-marked, unless it's changed since this July 2024 Streeview.
Narrowing the pavement to get rid of that hatched area would help. And having no-left hand turn signs on the median before the intersection would help too - instead of the ones on the far side - that you can't even make out in this image.
bearcat
Active Member
The two lanes could also have large white arrow pointing straight only painted on the asphalt. And potentially add the large LED no left turn signs somewhere.
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ZEBuilder
Active Member
The only similar LRT to Eglinton's above ground portion that has been operational for years is KWs and while there are crashes here and there the vast majority of the time the route runs fine, sure there are crashes but that is inevitable with any interaction between vehicles. In KW Keolis/GRT have managed to develop a reaction plan to service disruptions rather quickly often taking a bus or two off of routes that interline with the LRT to start a bus bridge until supervisors/extra drivers can bring busses from a garage to service the interrupted section. The rest of the line still runs fine around the section with the outage. Often times the outages only last a couple of hours while it does suck it really doesn't cause too much chaos. The only times they really last more than that is when there is a significant injury involved (pedestrian/cyclist hit) or signaling infrastructure gets hit.
The worst part is the first year of it running, after that people for the most part get used to it and stop doing stupid things, sure you can't get rid of stupid so crashes are still inevitable but they are way less frequent. Between the LRTs launch June 21 2019 to now there's only been 65 crashes, one every 33 days. In the first year of it running there was a total of 18 crashes (one every 20 days), after the first year its been one crash every 38 days. Sure KWs LRT is far from perfect but crashes are no where near as big of an issue as people make it seem and the same thing will likely be true of Eglinton.
11th
Senior Member
Technically they can already signed this as a Michigan Left intersection. Ban left turns from Birchmount also.
The U-turns can happen at Rosemount at the east and Sinnott at the west.
The way it's currently signed, it leaves drivers to figure out how to "turn left" onto Birchmount.
nfitz
Superstar
When did they make this a Michigan left? It wasn't in the 2024 streetview I posted above.
bearcat
Active Member
If you're just doing a U-turn at the next intersection where it is allowed, is it really a Michigan Left?
I guess they can put up a sign saying "U-turns permitted at next intersection".
nfitz
Superstar
By default, if there's a no-left turn sign, but no signs about U-turns, is a U-turn permitted? (I'd think it would be.
Here though, there is both signs. Way too small. Way too late.
Green arrows on the traffic lights would help too. And not using green and red signals for the LRT (which we've discussed here so many times already).
TOtramz
Active Member
I really hope that doesn’t cause more delays to testing….
bearcat
Active Member
Yes, U-turns our permitted by default, but a sign saying that you are definitely allowed to do a U-turn at the next intersection (that is there will not be a sign there saying that you can't) might dissuade people from disobeying the left turn prohibition because they know they can do a u-turn and a right turn after instead.By default, if there's a no-left turn sign, but no signs about U-turns, is a U-turn permitted? (I'd think it would be.
Here though, there is both signs. Way too small. Way too late.
Green arrows on the traffic lights would help too. And not using green and red signals for the LRT (which we've discussed here so many times already).
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Green arrows are a problem If right turns are permitted at that intersection.
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
nfitz
Superstar
Put an arrow for the lefthand lane, and a regular light for the righthand lane.
Still, province needs to clean up the regulations for transit and traffic signals.
T3G
Senior Member
Yikes, they've had how long to test everything and that's the best they could come up with?