[crs1026]

While riding Up Express today, I noted that the tracks of the MSF were conspicuously empty - meaning that plenty of the trams were out on the line.
Trying to infer a precise opening date at this point is largely conjecture, the main point is simply that we are in a phase where it will be ready when it’s ready.
Rather than continue to speculate, maybe we just need to wait for a substantive announcement - or a substantive report of a testing event that signifies further rework needed.

- Paul

 

[kev1n1m]

While riding Up Express today, I noted that the tracks of the MSF were conspicuously empty - meaning that plenty of the trams were out on the line.
Trying to infer a precise opening date at this point is largely conjecture, the main point is simply that we are in a phase where it will be ready when it’s ready.
Rather than continue to speculate, maybe we just need to wait for a substantive announcement - or a substantive report of a testing event that signifies further rework needed.

- Paul

I mean the sentiment is nice and all but it's not gonna happen. Speculation is one of the core functions of forums like this.

 

[bearcat]

I mean the sentiment is nice and all but it's not gonna happen. Speculation is one of the core functions of forums like this.

It should ideally be speculation based on some real observation, like as above that the MSF was empty.

 

[TOtramz]

This

It should ideally be speculation based on some real observation, like as above that the MSF was empty.

observations combined with noticing the frequency of trains on the surface section should be a good indication that revenue demonstration has begun

 

[crs1026]

The thing about the revenue demonstration is that it has the potential to start over (repeatedly) if something(s) is discovered. So we can't count forward with certainty. That's quite different than when we were in the "final touches" wondering how long various bits of finite work would take.

At this point, no one (least of all TTC) knows.

Lennon McCartney: "When I get to the bottom, I go back to the top....."

- Paul

 

[smallspy]

While riding Up Express today, I noted that the tracks of the MSF were conspicuously empty - meaning that plenty of the trams were out on the line.

- Paul

They have been doing some "stress testing" of the line for the past couple of days. This has resulted in the use of more trains than will be scheduled at any time in a "normal schedule".

I believe the number was 28 trains in service for both yesterday and today.

Dan

 

[Richard White]

I believe the number was 28 trains in service for both yesterday and today

And yet only one collision!

 

[crs1026]

They have been doing some "stress testing" of the line for the past couple of days. This has resulted in the use of more trains than will be scheduled at any time in a "normal schedule".

I believe the number was 28 trains in service for both yesterday and today.

Dan

An encouraging sign…. I wonder how 28 two car trams compares in seats to current 32/34 bus capacity at rush hour?
28 trams sounds like plenty, but assuming equal spacing in both directions it’s 14 trams in each direction spaced out along 19 kms of route….not that dense, but fairly frequent. That’s not anywhere close to the spacing of, say, the pre-1954 Large Witt- trailer sets on Yonge that one sees in all the old pictures.

- Paul

 

[TOtramz]

I guess they want to get the special testing out of the way since when revenue demonstration starts they probably won’t want to interrupt it for something like that.

 

[Steve X]

An encouraging sign…. I wonder how 28 two car trams compares in seats to current 32/34 bus capacity at rush hour?
28 trams sounds like plenty, but assuming equal spacing in both directions it’s 14 trams in each direction spaced out along 19 kms of route….not that dense, but fairly frequent. That’s not anywhere close to the spacing of, say, the pre-1954 Large Witt- trailer sets on Yonge that one sees in all the old pictures.

- Paul

There's roughly 60 seats in a LRV, 120 in a train. At 3.5 min headway, ~17.14 trains will pass per hour which leads to ~2050 seats. The 34A runs every 7.5 min in afternoon rush or 8 buses per hour which is 264 seats.

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

There's roughly 60 seats in a LRV, 120 in a train. At 3.5 min headway, ~17.14 trains will pass per hour which leads to ~2050 seats. The 34A runs every 7.5 min in afternoon rush or 8 buses per hour which is 264 seats.

this is just counting seats. each 2-car train has a crush capacity of around 500 passengers. at that headway, you can move around 8570 passengers per hour per direction. add the third car and it increases to around 12,855 pphd. Regardless it is a marked improvement over the existing buses which are always getting stuck in traffic, especially when the 32 in both directions has tremendous difficulty getting out of Eglinton West due to motorists blocking the station exit box

 

[Steve X]

this is just counting seats. each 2-car train has a crush capacity of around 500 passengers. at that headway, you can move around 8570 passengers per hour per direction. add the third car and it increases to around 12,855 pphd. Regardless it is a marked improvement over the existing buses which are always getting stuck in traffic, especially when the 32 in both directions has tremendous difficulty getting out of Eglinton West due to motorists blocking the station exit box

Sounded like he asked for actually seats.

There is no way those Flexitys will fit anyway close to crush load. 300 passengers per train is more appropriate.

 

[nfitz]

this is just counting seats. each 2-car train has a crush capacity of around 500 passengers. at that headway, you can move around 8570 passengers per hour per direction.

Crush capacity doesn't work like that. It takes so long at each stop to crush that many people on ... and off (where many people have to get off first to let the others off, then get back on).

Peak capacity per car is lower for any given car, but much faster to board. And maximizes the passengers per hour per direction. The TTC Flexity is 130 passengers peak for a 30-metre car. It's only slightly thinner than a Metrolinx Flexity, though has less seats. So Metrolinx peak capacity must be about 150. So 300 for a 2-car train. 450 for a 3-car train.

 

[ThenWhat]

Many former auto dealerships & gasoline stations & parking lots have been or will be developed as mixed-use condos along current rapid transit lines. We can see the same along Line 5 in the future, if not right now.

The Toronto Botanical Garden (TBG) and Edwards Gardens is a botanical garden located at 777 Lawrence Avenue East, at Leslie & Lawrence. Can see it expanded southward to Eglinton Avenue and Line 5, but likely not while (Mayor) Doug Ford is in power.

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Yes, in fact there is a proposal to replace the Toyota dealership at Eglinton and Leslie by another highrise. More development along transit is a good thing.

As for Edwards Gardens, it is great place to visit. But I don't see a possibility of expansion in any foreseeable future. If you walk around Edwards Gardens, you see that they don't even maintain the paths, staircases etc that are already there. So if more resources were to appear, they would have be spend on maintenance rather than expansion. That's fine, the green space south of there is already a protected area and will not disappear.

All this seems removed from the topic of this forum. It was brought up because of questions about the Leslie stop on the LRT. Apparently some group insisted that the station was needed. From the answers so far it seems that it was the developers who owned the land around there, which they developed since then.

 

[reinventingthewheel]

And yet only one collision!

Funny timing as just a couple hours before your message there was another collision.

A pickup truck travelling EB tried to illegally turn left onto Birchmount (no left turn allowed at anytime, well marked for road users too) while an eastbound LRV was entering the intersection. Not sure about damages but looked pretty minor.