[nfitz]

this is just counting seats. each 2-car train has a crush capacity of around 500 passengers. at that headway, you can move around 8570 passengers per hour per direction.

Crush capacity doesn't work like that. It takes so long at each stop to crush that many people on ... and off (where many people have to get off first to let the others off, then get back on).

Peak capacity per car is lower for any given car, but much faster to board. And maximizes the passengers per hour per direction. The TTC Flexity is 130 passengers peak for a 30-metre car. It's only slightly thinner than a Metrolinx Flexity, though has less seats. So Metrolinx peak capacity must be about 150. So 300 for a 2-car train. 450 for a 3-car train.

 

[ThenWhat]

Many former auto dealerships & gasoline stations & parking lots have been or will be developed as mixed-use condos along current rapid transit lines. We can see the same along Line 5 in the future, if not right now.

The Toronto Botanical Garden (TBG) and Edwards Gardens is a botanical garden located at 777 Lawrence Avenue East, at Leslie & Lawrence. Can see it expanded southward to Eglinton Avenue and Line 5, but likely not while (Mayor) Doug Ford is in power.

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Yes, in fact there is a proposal to replace the Toyota dealership at Eglinton and Leslie by another highrise. More development along transit is a good thing.

As for Edwards Gardens, it is great place to visit. But I don't see a possibility of expansion in any foreseeable future. If you walk around Edwards Gardens, you see that they don't even maintain the paths, staircases etc that are already there. So if more resources were to appear, they would have be spend on maintenance rather than expansion. That's fine, the green space south of there is already a protected area and will not disappear.

All this seems removed from the topic of this forum. It was brought up because of questions about the Leslie stop on the LRT. Apparently some group insisted that the station was needed. From the answers so far it seems that it was the developers who owned the land around there, which they developed since then.

 

[reinventingthewheel]

And yet only one collision!

Funny timing as just a couple hours before your message there was another collision.

A pickup truck travelling EB tried to illegally turn left onto Birchmount (no left turn allowed at anytime, well marked for road users too) while an eastbound LRV was entering the intersection. Not sure about damages but looked pretty minor.

 

[Cyrobyte]

Funny timing as just a couple hours before your message there was another collision.

A pickup truck travelling EB tried to illegally turn left onto Birchmount (no left turn allowed at anytime, well marked for road users too) while an eastbound LRV was entering the intersection. Not sure about damages but looked pretty minor.

This is going to cause so many service disruptions

 

[Voltz]

This is going to cause so many service disruptions

This is why I'd like to see short railway crossing arms for the left turn lanes on Eglinton, but even here where left turns aren't even allowed, wouldn't have made a difference.

 

[bearcat]

This is why I'd like to see short railway crossing arms for the left turn lanes on Eglinton, but even here where left turns aren't even allowed, wouldn't have made a difference.

Would automatic enforcement with a camera help? Or even be allowed by law?

 

[nfitz]

Funny timing as just a couple hours before your message there was another collision.

A pickup truck travelling EB tried to illegally turn left onto Birchmount (no left turn allowed at anytime, well marked for road users too) while an eastbound LRV was entering the intersection.

I'm not sure about being well-marked, unless it's changed since this July 2024 Streeview.

Narrowing the pavement to get rid of that hatched area would help. And having no-left hand turn signs on the median before the intersection would help too - instead of the ones on the far side - that you can't even make out in this image.

 

[bearcat]

I'm not sure about being well-marked, unless it's changed since this July 2024 Streeview.

Narrowing the pavement to get rid of that hatched area would help. And having no-left hand turn signs on the median before the intersection would help too - instead of the ones on the far side - that you can't even make out in this image.

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The two lanes could also have large white arrow pointing straight only painted on the asphalt. And potentially add the large LED no left turn signs somewhere.

 

[ZEBuilder]

This is going to cause so many service disruptions

The only similar LRT to Eglinton's above ground portion that has been operational for years is KWs and while there are crashes here and there the vast majority of the time the route runs fine, sure there are crashes but that is inevitable with any interaction between vehicles. In KW Keolis/GRT have managed to develop a reaction plan to service disruptions rather quickly often taking a bus or two off of routes that interline with the LRT to start a bus bridge until supervisors/extra drivers can bring busses from a garage to service the interrupted section. The rest of the line still runs fine around the section with the outage. Often times the outages only last a couple of hours while it does suck it really doesn't cause too much chaos. The only times they really last more than that is when there is a significant injury involved (pedestrian/cyclist hit) or signaling infrastructure gets hit.

The worst part is the first year of it running, after that people for the most part get used to it and stop doing stupid things, sure you can't get rid of stupid so crashes are still inevitable but they are way less frequent. Between the LRTs launch June 21 2019 to now there's only been 65 crashes, one every 33 days. In the first year of it running there was a total of 18 crashes (one every 20 days), after the first year its been one crash every 38 days. Sure KWs LRT is far from perfect but crashes are no where near as big of an issue as people make it seem and the same thing will likely be true of Eglinton.

 

[11th]

Funny timing as just a couple hours before your message there was another collision.

A pickup truck travelling EB tried to illegally turn left onto Birchmount (no left turn allowed at anytime, well marked for road users too) while an eastbound LRV was entering the intersection. Not sure about damages but looked pretty minor.

Technically they can already signed this as a Michigan Left intersection. Ban left turns from Birchmount also.
The U-turns can happen at Rosemount at the east and Sinnott at the west.

The way it's currently signed, it leaves drivers to figure out how to "turn left" onto Birchmount.

 

[nfitz]

Technically they can already signed this as a Michigan Left intersection.

When did they make this a Michigan left? It wasn't in the 2024 streetview I posted above.

 

[bearcat]

Technically they can already signed this as a Michigan Left intersection. Ban left turns from Birchmount also.
The U-turns can happen at Rosemount at the east and Sinnott at the west.

The way it's currently signed, it leaves drivers to figure out how to "turn left" onto Birchmount.

If you're just doing a U-turn at the next intersection where it is allowed, is it really a Michigan Left?

I guess they can put up a sign saying "U-turns permitted at next intersection".

 

[nfitz]

If you're just doing a U-turn at the next intersection where it is allowed, is it really a Michigan Left?

I guess they can put up a sign saying "U-turns permitted at next intersection".

By default, if there's a no-left turn sign, but no signs about U-turns, is a U-turn permitted? (I'd think it would be.

Here though, there is both signs. Way too small. Way too late.

Green arrows on the traffic lights would help too. And not using green and red signals for the LRT (which we've discussed here so many times already).

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[TOtramz]

Funny timing as just a couple hours before your message there was another collision.

A pickup truck travelling EB tried to illegally turn left onto Birchmount (no left turn allowed at anytime, well marked for road users too) while an eastbound LRV was entering the intersection. Not sure about damages but looked pretty minor.

I really hope that doesn’t cause more delays to testing….

 

[bearcat]

By default, if there's a no-left turn sign, but no signs about U-turns, is a U-turn permitted? (I'd think it would be.

Here though, there is both signs. Way too small. Way too late.

Green arrows on the traffic lights would help too. And not using green and red signals for the LRT (which we've discussed here so many times already).

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Yes, U-turns our permitted by default, but a sign saying that you are definitely allowed to do a U-turn at the next intersection (that is there will not be a sign there saying that you can't) might dissuade people from disobeying the left turn prohibition because they know they can do a u-turn and a right turn after instead.

Green arrows are a problem If right turns are permitted at that intersection.