[Steve X]

Let’s remind everyone again that the TYSSE didn’t open at the start of any board period.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Let’s remind everyone again that the TYSSE didn’t open at the start of any board period.

Although its dates were chosen because York University was on winter break then, it was chosen at their request.

 

[nfitz]

Let’s remind everyone again that the TYSSE didn’t open at the start of any board period.

The TYSSE opened December 17, 2017, at the start of the December 17, 2017 to January 6, 2018 period.

Here is the list of board periods from the service summary that contained the November 26 and December 17 periods..

Here's Steve Munro's regular article for that period:

TTC Service Changes Effective Sunday, December 17, 2017

The December schedules bring the opening of the Spadina subway extension to Vaughan Metropolitan Centre Station and a major reorganization of bus routes along the subway corridor. 2017.12.17_Servic…

stevemunro.ca

Although its dates were chosen because York University was on winter break then, it was chosen at their request.

No.

 

[crs1026]

While riding Up Express today, I noted that the tracks of the MSF were conspicuously empty - meaning that plenty of the trams were out on the line.
Trying to infer a precise opening date at this point is largely conjecture, the main point is simply that we are in a phase where it will be ready when it’s ready.
Rather than continue to speculate, maybe we just need to wait for a substantive announcement - or a substantive report of a testing event that signifies further rework needed.

- Paul

 

[kev1n1m]

While riding Up Express today, I noted that the tracks of the MSF were conspicuously empty - meaning that plenty of the trams were out on the line.
Trying to infer a precise opening date at this point is largely conjecture, the main point is simply that we are in a phase where it will be ready when it’s ready.
Rather than continue to speculate, maybe we just need to wait for a substantive announcement - or a substantive report of a testing event that signifies further rework needed.

- Paul

I mean the sentiment is nice and all but it's not gonna happen. Speculation is one of the core functions of forums like this.

 

[bearcat]

I mean the sentiment is nice and all but it's not gonna happen. Speculation is one of the core functions of forums like this.

It should ideally be speculation based on some real observation, like as above that the MSF was empty.

 

[TOtramz]

This

It should ideally be speculation based on some real observation, like as above that the MSF was empty.

observations combined with noticing the frequency of trains on the surface section should be a good indication that revenue demonstration has begun

 

[crs1026]

The thing about the revenue demonstration is that it has the potential to start over (repeatedly) if something(s) is discovered. So we can't count forward with certainty. That's quite different than when we were in the "final touches" wondering how long various bits of finite work would take.

At this point, no one (least of all TTC) knows.

Lennon McCartney: "When I get to the bottom, I go back to the top....."

- Paul

 

[smallspy]

While riding Up Express today, I noted that the tracks of the MSF were conspicuously empty - meaning that plenty of the trams were out on the line.

- Paul

They have been doing some "stress testing" of the line for the past couple of days. This has resulted in the use of more trains than will be scheduled at any time in a "normal schedule".

I believe the number was 28 trains in service for both yesterday and today.

Dan

 

[Richard White]

I believe the number was 28 trains in service for both yesterday and today

And yet only one collision!

 

[crs1026]

They have been doing some "stress testing" of the line for the past couple of days. This has resulted in the use of more trains than will be scheduled at any time in a "normal schedule".

I believe the number was 28 trains in service for both yesterday and today.

Dan

An encouraging sign…. I wonder how 28 two car trams compares in seats to current 32/34 bus capacity at rush hour?
28 trams sounds like plenty, but assuming equal spacing in both directions it’s 14 trams in each direction spaced out along 19 kms of route….not that dense, but fairly frequent. That’s not anywhere close to the spacing of, say, the pre-1954 Large Witt- trailer sets on Yonge that one sees in all the old pictures.

- Paul

 

[TOtramz]

I guess they want to get the special testing out of the way since when revenue demonstration starts they probably won’t want to interrupt it for something like that.

 

[Steve X]

An encouraging sign…. I wonder how 28 two car trams compares in seats to current 32/34 bus capacity at rush hour?
28 trams sounds like plenty, but assuming equal spacing in both directions it’s 14 trams in each direction spaced out along 19 kms of route….not that dense, but fairly frequent. That’s not anywhere close to the spacing of, say, the pre-1954 Large Witt- trailer sets on Yonge that one sees in all the old pictures.

- Paul

There's roughly 60 seats in a LRV, 120 in a train. At 3.5 min headway, ~17.14 trains will pass per hour which leads to ~2050 seats. The 34A runs every 7.5 min in afternoon rush or 8 buses per hour which is 264 seats.

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

There's roughly 60 seats in a LRV, 120 in a train. At 3.5 min headway, ~17.14 trains will pass per hour which leads to ~2050 seats. The 34A runs every 7.5 min in afternoon rush or 8 buses per hour which is 264 seats.

this is just counting seats. each 2-car train has a crush capacity of around 500 passengers. at that headway, you can move around 8570 passengers per hour per direction. add the third car and it increases to around 12,855 pphd. Regardless it is a marked improvement over the existing buses which are always getting stuck in traffic, especially when the 32 in both directions has tremendous difficulty getting out of Eglinton West due to motorists blocking the station exit box

 

[Steve X]

this is just counting seats. each 2-car train has a crush capacity of around 500 passengers. at that headway, you can move around 8570 passengers per hour per direction. add the third car and it increases to around 12,855 pphd. Regardless it is a marked improvement over the existing buses which are always getting stuck in traffic, especially when the 32 in both directions has tremendous difficulty getting out of Eglinton West due to motorists blocking the station exit box

Sounded like he asked for actually seats.

There is no way those Flexitys will fit anyway close to crush load. 300 passengers per train is more appropriate.